*audible gasp*
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
mamet writes reviews like he writes dialogue:
"What can one say to the self-proclaimed 'independent' who never has nor ever will vote other than Democratic; or to the wise soul suggesting, of any conflict at all, "the truth must lie somewhere in between"? Mr. Goldberg reminds us that one must stand up and demand of the muddled and supine either an absolute declaration of their principles and acknowledgment of the results of actions having flowed therefrom or a straightforward admission of their intransigence in refusing a concise reply."
(-DAVID MAMET, bestselling author of The Secret Knowledge )
^mamet endorsing the tyrrany of cliches
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/3mQdc.png
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
xpost needs more swears imo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
vocal fry was discussed in a thread - pretty sure La Lechera started it - could've been on the sandbox though
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
bitter millennial narrative re: reagan revolution is, the boomers had this big revolution where instead of being CONFORMIST DRONES they were going to BREAK FREE and SELF-ACTUALIZE and FIND THEMSELVES, which confused the corporations for about five minutes before they pulled themselves together and were like oh ok that's cool! hey you know a good way to find yourself? buy these sunglasses and vote against regulation. government's the problem!
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
do these speech patterns really span a generation or are they more region specific? can anyone give some examples of someone well known that speaks like this?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
Iatee's explanation seems most convincing so far.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
I had to immediately vote "Greatest Generation" just because, c'mon. Humility is very important to me.
Also, you effing nuked Japan. Assholes.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
To be fair, they didn't nuke Japan. It's not like they voted on it.
― homosexual II, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:09 (twelve years ago) link
the boomers had this big revolution where instead of being CONFORMIST DRONES they were going to BREAK FREE and SELF-ACTUALIZE and FIND THEMSELVES
what cartoon is this?
bitter millennial narrative re: reagan revolution
I remember when millenials were making this complaint back when they started punk rock
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:15 (twelve years ago) link
It's not like they voted on it.
Truman definitely Lost Generation
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
I remember lots of ppl who had been vaguely non-conformist voting for Raygun in '84 - they had rediscovered money but they still wanted to be thought of as 'cool'.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
"bitter millennial narrative" was just me full-disclosing, although to be fair the people who started punk rock hadn't actually grown up in the country the reagan revolution made
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
i guess Boomers aren't quite as bad as they've been made out to be, but they (and their culture/culture that panders to them) have been so omnipresent for so long that it's very tempting to vote for them b/c more than anything else i want that generation to just STFU already.
― Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:55 (twelve years ago) link
nah they're still bad it's just the simple narrative about them is kinda misleading
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link
'they were all hippies! all them! then they were all reagan republicans! all of them!'
it's easier for me to be a tad more sympathetic to Boomers when i remember that the Greatest Generation right before them were a bunch of bigoted Don Drapers and Archie Bunkers whose attitudes and activities were partly responsible for the Boomer excesses and pretensions that drive Gen-Xers and Millenials so fucking crazy.
― Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
The youngest boomers were still in pre-school during Woodstock and were undergrads in the mid-80s, right?
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
Don Draper was a member of the Silent Generation was he not?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
xpost to iatee xpost to self!
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
i'll just be happy to not hear any more about the fucking Beatles or Woodstock.
― Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:04 (twelve years ago) link
i object to the terminology "generation y" by the way
― max, Tuesday, May 1, 2012 12:04 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
i don't really care about generational differences except when i do, i just hate how lazy "generation y" and "generation z" are as names. every other generation gets an actual name but whoever decides this shit got distracted by the letter x and suddenly all generations are just going to be listed by letter. step up your game, culture shitheads.
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:06 (twelve years ago) link
"generation why"
― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:07 (twelve years ago) link
FUCK THAT SHIT
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:08 (twelve years ago) link
i'm generation pepsi
us Gen-Xers were called Slackers, roughly coterminous with the Gen-X tag. so that's something.
― Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
also i remember reading on wiki that some people want the generations after "z" to just go down the greek alphabet
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 1:01 PM (4 minutes ago)
yes (born 1963, had just started 1st grade when Woodstock happened, undergrad 81-85)
― improvised explosive advice (WmC), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:09 (twelve years ago) link
i like "generation spongebob." it's malleable enough to fit people who watched spongebob as impressionable toddlers all the way up to stoned college-ers, as well as people who worked on the show like tom kinney and kaz. There's definitely some kind of divide between who 'get' spongebob on some level and people who don't.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:11 (twelve years ago) link
it would explain certain sartorial choices for the Gen-Y/Millenial set, i agree:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/answer-sheet/spongebob.jpeg
― Nu Metal is the best music there is, the rest is pussy shit. (Eisbaer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
is that for gen y or z philip
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:12 (twelve years ago) link
(I mean, most of the credit for progressive measures in the 60s and 70s would seem to have to go to boomers' parents.)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:14 (twelve years ago) link
the accelerated maturation colliding with prolonged infantilism really makes birthdate cutoffs less relevant than what nickelodeon tv show shapes your worldview.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:15 (twelve years ago) link
It's funny that despite having the same mother, my older brother and I would be from different generations
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:18 (twelve years ago) link
the name is millennial
it is a fine name
― max, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
xxp it's true, i still suffer from fear and anxiety when someone asks me something and I say, "I don't know."
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
And someone born in 1945 who had a kid in 1965 would be part of the same generation as their child.
xpost to Michael White
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
I'm actually really unclear on what I would be (b 1979). Wikipedia seems to put me near the tail end of Generation X but, like, I was 12 when the Coupland book came out (although I did read it at 13).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:22 (twelve years ago) link
My mom was born in '44 and had my brother in '63.
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:23 (twelve years ago) link
are there really precise year cut-offs? that seems ridiculous
then again, i ask about the spongebob thing because it's only the younger millenials and the older gen zs that have been 'influenced' by it imo. in high school (i was born 88) everyone in my grade was pretty split on either indulging in spongebob or considering ourselves too old for it.
it IS an important touchstone tho, more than most pop culture of the time
― JIM THOMETHEUS (zachlyon), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
The baby boom was a fairly clear-cut demographic phenomenon with agreed-upon cut-offs. It seems much less clearer for subsequent 'generations', which, afaict are made up by journalists and marketers.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
"much less clear"
Eveningstar otm. The more you look into it, the more arbitrary all this is. That's why I started by just considering them as signifiers of decades.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
spongebob is great and should not be sullied by association w human reproduction
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
you _do_ smoke a lot of weed don't you?
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
(I've never seen Spongebob so maybe that settles it?)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
I smoke 0 weed and stand 100% in solidarity with contenderizer on this matter
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:36 (twelve years ago) link
tom kinney is probably gen x, and kaz is probably boomer, but i think their sponge-bobbiness cred is unimpeachable.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
i'm not generation spongebob btw, i'm ren & stimpy reprazent, but i have no ill will towards generation spongebob like i do towards generation 12 oz mouse.
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link