i don't think Betty gets to decide when Sally learns about it. you're being super obtuse.
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
The stuff that happens to you when you are a kid can leave scars. It doesn't have to be a crime to fuck you up.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
comparative evil 101
― Mordy, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
12 is an appropriate age, but Betty knew the story and could've told her right then without leaving her hanging and having all sorts of misdirected anger.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
everyone ends up scarred - that's life!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
yeah it's totally obtuse to suggest that Betty's goal was to have a mature conversation with Sally about Don's family history
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
well, i think she has just as much right to make that decision as don, frankly. my objection is to the way she went about it and her motivations for doing so. i wouldn't quibble with her "right" to tell anyone she pleases the truth about don and dick whitman.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
if Betty had been motivated simply by a desire for Sally to know the truth, she could have just told her herself. instead she deliberately manufactured a situation that would disrupt Don's home/family
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:46 (twelve years ago) link
what's shitty is that Betty used her own jealousy over Megan and Don's life/apartment/Megan's semi naked body/whatever as the fuel to put her daughter in the middle of an issue that doesn't even INVOLVE Don's first wife.
it's not even Sally knowing. it's the motivations and the way she did it and WHY she did that's just so...Betty
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
Yay it's Strawman time! Whee! Nobody said "Betty's goal was to have a mature conversation with Sally about Don's family history"! Strawman time!
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
that's life!
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:47 (twelve years ago) link
(well Betty may have been involved inasmuch as Don may have technically been a bigamist I forget how that all worked)
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
The only shitty thing about Betty's behaviour was telling Sally to ask Megan about it, imo
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:48 (twelve years ago) link
it's not like she was making it up though!
― sarahell, Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:42 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
at what age is it appropriate for her to be told about it?
― sarahell, Tuesday, May 15, 2012 4:43 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
a Strawball's chance in hell ...
and yeah, Don had to divorce Anna in order to marry Betty.
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
anyway clearly the depravity of this situation is up for grabs for some of you I know longer care
Except Don didn't actually tell Sally the story. Is Sally going to be more or less fucked up thinking Don 'had to marry Anna' vs if BEtty had told her he switched dog tags to run from his family etc
My parents lobbed shit through me alll the time when I was a child. Fuck, they still do. I am 29 years old and I still have to tell my family not to insult the absent person to me. This is a thing.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
That was about 30 xposts but y'all are typing too quickly today
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:50 (twelve years ago) link
well, exactly. she was trying to engineer a situation that would fuck with megan and don, and didn't seem too worried about the fact that sally might get hurt in the process.
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
know no
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
^^ exactly. I'd even say it's more normal than any "Oh you simply MUST thank Megan for helping you on that project, sweetie!" like a kid doesn't understand that doublespeak (i.e. they do)
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
if BEtty had told her he switched dog tags to run from his family
tbh I have never really understood what Don explicitly gained from switching identities. I mean, surely he could have just run off from his family and changed his name, etc. This was not uncommon. Did he get Don's bank account and house and shit? I guess that would be a big deal.
xp
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
Wasn't the real Don about to end his tour? He got to go home early?
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
For a while now I've found it to be kind of implicit that Betty doesn't like Sally. (not sure about the other kids.)
― ryan, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
I just feel bad for Sally.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Huh! That's interesting. (That Betty might not like Sally)
― poxen, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
Don gained a body that would get sent back to Shitckick, Wherever and get buried in the ground for one thing
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:55 (twelve years ago) link
xp That was what I thought - go home early, whereas Dick had just got there, more or less?
Betty is probably jealous of Sally w/r/t her & Megan's relationship too. My Mom has been mad at me and said some damned cruel things, intending it to hurt -me.- But she also lobbed some slow pitches to explode once I got to my Dad's house. But she also loves me, or at least she's lead me to believe so and let's not debate that part. ;)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:56 (twelve years ago) link
Sally isn't as easy to deal with as the other two
― sarahell, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
Betty is totally jealous/resentful of Sally this has been obvious for a long time
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:58 (twelve years ago) link
of her relationship with Don, of her relationship with grandpa Gene, etc
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
Betty even tried to horn in on Sally's therapist
― raw feel vegan (silby), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 20:59 (twelve years ago) link
hahaha
― Mr. Que, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:00 (twelve years ago) link
agree with this, but i don't know that it's so extreme as "totally jealous/resentful"
― The term or title antichrist, in Christian theology, refers to (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:01 (twelve years ago) link
She also made Sally stop hanging out with Glenn, although that one might not be such a bad idear.
― polyphonic, Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
Sally robbed Betty of her potential cougar action
sorry
― Roger Barfing (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 May 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
This Megan vs. Betty fight seems so ridiculous to me. Having watched Betty over the first four seasons I mostly remember
lots of self-served mopingmanipulating peoplemore mopingpettiness
Maybe my memory is false or something. But I just remember thinking there's nothing at all to this woman other than her looks and a vague, childish, suffocating melancholia.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:35 (twelve years ago) link
I remember Betty being much more dependent on everyone around her. The lack of attention she got from Don is the main reason for their breakup. Whereas Megan might be a bit too enthusiastic for some people, at least she seems to know what she wants and is capable of constructing her own identity. Betty seems to wallow in victimization.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 01:37 (twelve years ago) link
I honestly don't know how fully formed the arc was when the show began, but at some point they realized that Betty and Megan had to be in stark contrast to one another.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:10 (twelve years ago) link
Betty wasn't allowed to work, and Don didn't want to spend any time with her at night.. Most of what makes Megan so foreign to her is that she can work (then mother on weekends.)
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 02:42 (twelve years ago) link
Betty did those print ads though (1st season? maybe 2nd) and decided she didn't really want to work. Except there was something else to that (somebody wanted to sleep with her? they were only using her as a favor to Don?), and I can't remember what exactly - something where she got huffy.
The Betty/Megan thing is playing out so much like my own mother/step-mom, it's a bit too real at times.
― Jaq, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
The print ad (for Coke) was a ruse that Don cottoned to.
― Leslie Mann: Boner Machine (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 04:46 (twelve years ago) link
When Betty and Don went to Italy...The Betty we found in Italy was very similar (at least superficially) to the Megan we see today. She was stylish, hip, in the know with her Italian, if only for a moment and it seemed that Don was really into her at that moment. Once they returned home, back to the children and daily life, Betty threw a childish tantrum. The life she had was not the life she wanted, she wanted to live the way Megan is living with Don now.
I think Betty is a lot of women at the time. As times began to change there was a bit of jealousy and resentment towards the new generation of women who had more opportunity and choices and social freedoms. Plenty of women made that happen for themselves like Peggy.
― *tera, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 07:55 (twelve years ago) link
"Betty did those print ads though (1st season? maybe 2nd) and decided she didn't really want to work."
Rewatch this episode. This isn't what happened.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:12 (twelve years ago) link
is the whole bobby draper thing like a conscious brechtian device? i swear they pointedly get a new actor to play that kid every damn episode.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:20 (twelve years ago) link
xxp I think Betty really wanted to live some way other than the way she lived with Don on a day to day basis (which is understandable really, their marriage was pretty bad). The Italian trip represented an exciting escape from that day to day (as did Henry for a moment) but the reality of any life was inevitably going to disappoint Betty (just as actually living Megan's life would.)
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 12:21 (twelve years ago) link
I will, it's nagging at me now. Do you know off-hand which one it is?
― Jaq, Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:28 (twelve years ago) link
Episode 1.9 according to Google.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:45 (twelve years ago) link
It's the pigeon shooting episode too which I forgot until just now.
― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 13:46 (twelve years ago) link
Betty is excited about her modeling shoot, but when they tell her they don't need her anymore, she tells Don that she decided not to continue so she could be home for her family.
― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Wednesday, 16 May 2012 14:51 (twelve years ago) link