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Attorney: Suit dismissed over alleged fight with Matthew Fox in Cleveland's Flats

CLEVELAND - The lawsuit against actor Matthew Fox over an alleged fight in The Flats last year has been dropped.

On Aug. 27, the former star of “Lost” tried to catch a ride on a private party bus driven by 29-year-old Heather Bormann, according to a police report. When Bormann wouldn’t let him on the bus, Fox punched her in the stomach and breast, the police report said.

When the city prosecutor decided not to charge Fox, Bormann filed a civil suit, seeking $75,000 in damages. Fox turned around a slapped the bus driver with a countersuit, saying she attacked him.

Now, Bormann’s attorney said the lawsuit was dismissed about a month ago. J. Norman Stark said he told his client that it would take time and money to fight the countersuit, and then he couldn’t get a hold of her. After the court gave Bormann 30 days to answer the suit, she appeared in court.

Bormann told the defense she could not afford to fight Fox’s suit and agreed to dismiss her case if he would dismiss his, Stark said. He also said that the actor did not pay Bormann any money.

Just days after the alleged incident, which police said involved alcohol, Bormann spoke with NewsChannel5.

"He was hitting me in the breast... I have bruises that I can't show that would be considered inappropriate, but I am bruised up underneath in areas I can't show," she said on Aug. 29. Bormann said she punched Fox back in self-defense, cutting his lip and injuring her hand.

Fox had been at Christie's Cabaret -- a strip club -- on Main Avenue prior to the incident, sources inside the club told NewsChannel5. He spoke with police for a short time, but was not arrested. Fox was turned over to a friend at the scene and taken by taxi to his hotel.

Fox was in Cleveland last summer to shoot the Tyler Perry movie “I, Alex Cross.”

Fox turned around a slapped the bus driver with a countersuit

good word choice, shame about the typo.

'Lost stars: Where are they now?'

http://okbjgm.weebly.com/lost/the-lost-will-and-testament-of-javier-grillo-marxuach

Lost writer Javier Grillo-Marxuach pens 16,000-word essay on the show's beginnings - great inside-baseball stuff about what ideas came up when, bad ideas that were tossed, competing pressure to meet demands from the execs and the show creators (basically, execs: more drama, less weird genre stuff, JJ Abrams: more mysteries), etc.

And why they didn't kill off Jack in the pilot as originally planned:

On our second day at work, JJ and Damon brought in numbered hard copies of the pilot for the think tank to read and on which to give feedback. My most salient note on the pilot was that murdering the one white male character with a discernible skillset that could serve to generate stories — at the very least Jack was a doctor — would not go over well with the network.
In truth, my response was a lot less politically correct, informed as it was by my decade-plus experience as a Puerto Rican working in Hollywood.

What I really said was "You can't kill the white guy...."

So when JJ and Damon returned from their first network notes session with a slightly bemused expression, I asked how the notes session went. I was not shocked when Damon shrugged with a not inconsiderable amount of contempt for his unimaginative corporate overlords and reported that, "We can't kill the white guy."

thanks for the link. guess i'm a diehard Lost superfan forever because I actually read that whole thing last night

i still hate darlton

how many years until a LOST reboot miniseries?

At some point, I want an inside basketball account on what exactly went wrong in season six. I've heard rumours that they had plans for the temple that they decided wasn't working, and the fact that the sideways universe turned out to be unconnected to both Desmond's electromagnetic adventures and the 'Incident' at the end of season five, to me suggests a massive course correct at exactly the time they couldn't afford it.

I don't know. Lost was always spotty, I'm not sure season six 'ruined' anything. But the more I think about it, the weirder it seems.

it was fairly horrendous - like basically any other ending besides the actual ending would prob have been better. nothing actually happened, it was like "ok now we are done and have no more story the end"

I'm one of the few people who kinda liked the revelations of the nature of the island, and how little was revealed. But spending so much time on sideways stories that turned out to have nothing to do with the main story was such a weird idea. Like, I kinda don't believe that was the original idea.

"we sure as shellac knew what the polar bear was doing on the island."

So you knew there was a crank on the island, and that whoever turned it ended up in the Arctic, so the Corp. brought polar bears onto the island so that they could turn the crank without a human ending up in the tundra? Because that ended up being the answer given by the show.

(Later in the essay he says the original plan was the Walt summoned the polar bear using his psychic powers. I just had to vent.)

That... fits? The polar bears were being used for experimentation by Dharma. Close enough.
That said I love the Walt "animal psychic summoning" explanation much more, too bad they didn't go with that.

I only read a little ways in but if it includes psychic Walt I might have to return to it

MY BOY

The alternate timeline even now really pisses me off as a narrative trick, like why even bother wasting half of the entire final season on that when you already know it's going to go nowhere? It just took up a lot of screen time they could have spent actually bringing each narrative thread to an even vaguely satisfying conclusion.

Given the other pieces of shitty Lindelhof hackwork I've seen since I can only assume the dude is just incapable of writing endings.

lots of interesting ideas, not really so much on story arcs that end

I can imagine a roundtable of writers trying to figure out how character arcs will end, Lindelof wanders in, says "what if the island... is unstuck in time?!?" and then they all have to plot around this week's nifty idea instead of resolving anything

The Leftovers has given me a heck of a lot respect for Lindelof. Yeah, it was an adaptation, but the specific ways they fit it to the medium were some of the best parts. So I blame Carlton at the moment.

lol there is more than enough blame to go around

The alternate timeline even now really pisses me off as a narrative trick, like why even bother wasting half of the entire final season on that when you already know it's going to go nowhere? It just took up a lot of screen time they could have spent actually bringing each narrative thread to an even vaguely satisfying conclusion.

― Matt DC, Friday, March 27, 2015 9:29 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They were only able to waste half of the season on the alternate timeline because they were busy wasting the other half introducing a cadre of new characters who had no real purpose. Because these are the narrative through-lines you want to pursue when you have a limited amount of time to wrap up five years of lingering mysteries.

It sucked to feel so hoodwinked at the time, but in hindsight I think the failure of L O S T in the home stretch has really helped (some) subsequent genre shows by displaying how sour a turn your show can take when you're flying by the seat of your pants.

their failure in the homestretch was baked into the show's ethos--every mystery had to be subservient to characters learning about themselves, so instead of learning about the temple you had to meet some guy whose kid died, and instead of finding out more about the island you had to see these brothers get mad at each other

The thing that still most irritates me about the alternate timeline is that they wholly fabricated a son for Jack that had conflicts and emotions and stories and he NEVER EXISTED.

I really don't see that huge a drop-off in quality in the last season, I think after season 2 it sort of went downhill.

season 4 and most of 5 were pretty awesome as i remember

their failure in the homestretch was baked into the show's ethos--every mystery had to be subservient to characters learning about themselves, so instead of learning about the temple you had to meet some guy whose kid died, and instead of finding out more about the island you had to see these brothers get mad at each other

otm this tragic flaw ruined it all the way through

"As I described before, there was definitely a sort of "operational theory" for what the island would be -- it was liked by some and loathed by others -- and since Damon and Carlton chose not to say it out loud in the series finale, I won't presume to do it for them. Suffice it to say there was a concrete reason that we openly discussed on several occasions about why the island had an exotic source of power in its core that was able to wreak such miracles as time travel, the motion of the island, and somehow connect with selected people on a psychic level."

I can't think of any theory that would work unless you were high.

Ok finally finished this read, it was so long I had to spread it out over a period of nights. A really fascinating look at the writing and creating of this pretty unique show! Gives really great detail on how certain concepts were originated and maybe brought into canon. The drop in quality I perceived following the start of season two makes total sense as all the original writers had left the show. Also makes sense that new network brass did not appreciate the sci-fi qualities, which was my main selling point, and thus were heavily toned down during the middle run of the show.

Did they make everything up as they went along? Of course they did, they were writers, their job was to create something out of nothing (or at least very little).

Didn't they start dicking around with time travel during the middle run of the show?

As I packed up two years worth of stuff, a warm and welcome thought danced around my brain: an idea for Lost. As I had to write an email telling Damon that I would not be able to attend the screening he had planned for the season two finale (I only had one free week before starting on Medium and had planned a trip out of town), I added my idea to my regrets on the invitation and pledged that this would be the last thing I ever pitched him for Lost.

Hell, I was still on the payroll, so why not?

Damon responded warmly, and I went on my way... later, when the idea showed up in season three, I was ultimately gratified. Even on the last minute of the last day, I had been able to make a positive contribution to the future of something that had absolutely changed my life.

What was the idea?

Oh come on. Do you think I learned nothing from JJ? I may be saying now that this is the last time I will speak publicly about Lost, but I would be a fool if I left nothing in the mystery box!

Any ideas what this is?

It's weird, because the sci-fi stuff came back with a vengeance for seasons 4 and 5, so I wonder what changed their minds
Too bad the Smoke Monster wasn't nanobots though

xp Oh yeah nevermind. What am I think "heavily toned down"?

Well re-reading S3 summary it looks like the time travel stuff was mainly Desmond and perhaps has less of a sci fi flavor than a psychic/pseudoscience leaning. The show was mostly people trying to escape The Others w Desmond having visions of the future interspersed.

When I think back on it, it does feel right to me to call the middle years sorta 'toned down'. Season three is castaways vs Others, season four is castaways vs freighter folks. Season 5 def took a trippy twist and season six was just plain weird.

nanobot smoke monster as a messenger sent back from the future would have been awesome

almost anything other than what they came up with would have been awesome, tbh

it's gonna end with people walking around the island giving each other warm looks and sawyer giving everyone hugs, softly saying "frackles, frackles, frackles" while violins play for 30 minutes.

― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:04 PM (5 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Maybe more like a Star Wars ending, you see the ghosts of Christian Shepherd, Charlie and the horse standing at the side digging the party.

― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:37 PM (5 years ago)

ILX basically called it.

Kind of amazed Locke didn't turn into his own smoke monster. Maybe they could've used a different color smoke.

from new yorker article about group dynamics in simulated missions to mars:

The study also cited reports of “unreciprocated sexual interest” expressed by a person of authority, and resentment from a French-Canadian participant who, forced by the group to sit through the television series “Lost,” complained that the plot was incomprehensible.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/04/20/moving-to-mars

otm

hahaha

sad.
I remember my heart slowly ripping out when giant pendulums and faraday's crazy math amounted to nothing. the show decided to go an emotional route and ditched any logic for "this is just the way the mystery works, deal with it". Actually, I don't want to recall the specifics because just thinking about this show makes me sad

https://www.instagram.com/p/BAiDJ18zCgK/

Hurley's original first line, cut from the pilot.

up there with dewey in scream 3 and admiral akbar.

http://ew.com/tv/2017/04/10/lost-volcano-alternative-ending/

they wanted the smoke monster to come from a volcano