Brave was in production a very long time before HTTYD came out, just for the record.
― kinder, Friday, 29 June 2012 07:30 (eleven years ago) link
(it is good though, especially for a Dreamworks film)
― kinder, Friday, 29 June 2012 07:31 (eleven years ago) link
The "Dragon" book was 2003; does the production of "Brave" precede that? Even so, it's irrelevant, really, since "Dragon" (the film) handles some similar themes with gusto but much greater coherence, and some similar visuals with surprising adeptness, considering it came out so many years before this one, with its fancy new visual system or whatever.
"Brave" really is a mess, and so full of potential.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 June 2012 11:58 (eleven years ago) link
Dragon book bears almost no relation to the movie iirc and the movie went through a LOT of changes only really getting near to what it turned out like quite late on.
― kinder, Friday, 29 June 2012 12:08 (eleven years ago) link
Not fully seen Brave yet due to moving but will be v soon
― kinder, Friday, 29 June 2012 12:12 (eleven years ago) link
So was "Brave" really in production before "Dragon," which came out in ... 2010? Which means it had to have been in production for a while, too? All the more reason "Brave" should have tried to distinguish itself more, especially since they had the luxury of an original story (as such).
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 June 2012 12:21 (eleven years ago) link
OK, looks like "Brave" started rolling forward back in 2008. Again, no reason it should be the mess that it is, given that headstart. According to the wiki I found, it looks like the change in director resulted in less magical stuff, though of course, there's still way too much stupid magical stuff in this movie, and magical stuff that literally comes out of nowhere at that.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 June 2012 12:23 (eleven years ago) link
I don't even know why the stupid movie is called "Brave."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 June 2012 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
It was originally called "The Bear and the Bow". I just think Disney likes one word titles for animated movies to do with girls. "Tangled" for Rapunzel, and the movie in production now about the Snow Queen is titled "Frozen".
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Friday, 29 June 2012 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
I came to it without any real expectations, but Tangled turned out to be ace. So how does Brave stack up against that?
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Friday, 29 June 2012 12:40 (eleven years ago) link
I repeat, "Tangled" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Brave"
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 June 2012 13:08 (eleven years ago) link
"Tangled" is funnier, more heartfelt, more exciting, and pretty much just as great to look at.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 29 June 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link
Cheers - can feel a cinematic viewing of Brave slipping from my schedule with every passing comment. I thought Tangled looked pretty exquisite tbh (esp. the beautiful character design), was also impressed by how good the songs were for a new cartoon.
― that mustardless plate (Bill A), Friday, 29 June 2012 14:18 (eleven years ago) link
tried to watch tangled last week, but just couldn't hack it. dull characters, unfunny jokes, bad songs, exaggerated shrek-style smirking, and schmaltz without emotional resonance. fucking awful.
― contenderizer, Friday, 29 June 2012 15:08 (eleven years ago) link
still wanna see brave
If you didn't like Tangled I don't see you liking Brave.
― I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Friday, 29 June 2012 15:09 (eleven years ago) link
I like them both, but I think Brave is actually a really good movie. Gonna go out on a limb and place it in front of Incredibles, Cars, Up and Bug's Life.
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Saturday, 30 June 2012 01:53 (eleven years ago) link
Brave is very slapsticky, and I like that. My biggest complaint is with the amount of unnecessary verbiage in the last three minutes. And I don't, for the life of me, understand the global objection to the midpoint plot turn.
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Saturday, 30 June 2012 01:54 (eleven years ago) link
I liked this movie on paper (riot grrl does not want to end up with a dude and doesn't and has relationship issues with her mom that they fix by lists to each other)but the execution was kind of bloodless and boring at times
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:06 (eleven years ago) link
*listening to each other
this movie was v v pretty but I feel like the most detailed animation was homegirl's hair
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:07 (eleven years ago) link
they fix by lists to each other
Superb typo. Would've added a great passive/aggressive twist to the story.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:09 (eleven years ago) link
t minus 10 min from watching this in Diane digital 3d
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:10 (eleven years ago) link
And I don't, for the life of me, understand the global objection to the midpoint plot turn.
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Friday, June 29, 2012
fwiw i thought this was a total mess and the midpoint plot turn was one of the few things i did like.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:34 (eleven years ago) link
It's totally bloodless and boring, oddly-so, given all the people walking into things or getting hit in the head with things or hitting each other or doing spit-takes or getting tuned into a half-anthropomorphized bear.
Again, someone help me out here: why is it called "Brave?" Is it because she's brave enough to tell her mom that she loves her? Brave enough to follow her bliss, with her mom's permission? Anyway, just a jumble of a movie. I will give it credit, though, for a whopping 10 minutes or whatever of bear mugging when even my daughter was basically "just mend the fucking tear already!"
Hair was better in "Tangled," too. "Tangles" rules, "Brave" drools.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
A friend posted the reaction of the kids she brought to "Brave:"
https://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/552673_4238628841952_1451714355_n.jpg
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:40 (eleven years ago) link
roffle
your daughter OTM though WHOA WHOA HUGE SPOILER HERE the edge-of-your-seat horseback needlepoint sequence END HUGE SPOILER was up there with the dramatic photocopying sequence in THE FIRM.
would have been a lot more interesting if her daydreaming during sewing lessons had come back to haunt her in her time of need.
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 30 June 2012 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
just saw this, thought it was pretty swell
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 04:58 (eleven years ago) link
waaaaaaaaaaay better than 'up' which was more like 'down' amirite
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 04:59 (eleven years ago) link
I was so glad that this movie was not the movie the trailer set up - that was a stupid fucking trailer
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 05:02 (eleven years ago) link
like maybe the worst thing you could say about this film was that it was a scene or two short, and maybe could have used more explication about the other bear. but this was a good movie!
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 05:03 (eleven years ago) link
though, I know billions of tearful processor hours were spent rendering her hair, I thought in the end it looked like that springy yarn you can get at A.C. Moore for $1.99
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 05:06 (eleven years ago) link
dayo is a crazy person, there is no way this was better than up
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Saturday, 30 June 2012 05:06 (eleven years ago) link
YOU CANT THREADBAN ME THIS TIME M BISE ON
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
I will have my revenge...in the Olympics thread
― he bit me (it felt like a diss) (m bison), Saturday, 30 June 2012 05:08 (eleven years ago) link
UP would have been better if it had only been 15 minutes long
tbh WALL*E kind of fell apart in the third act
― all yoga attacks are fire based (rogermexico.), Saturday, 30 June 2012 06:47 (eleven years ago) link
on balance, i think that pixar is great with openings, pretty darn good with act twos, and falls to sentimentality at endings.
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Saturday, 30 June 2012 11:52 (eleven years ago) link
I think even I liked "Up" better than this. I can't pinpoint exactly which element felt the most ported in to satisfy some studio note or demo. BELATED SPOILERS!!!!The evil bear and its backstory? The three triplets? The three twins turning into bears? The random witch? The quest/fight or her hand in marriage? Stumbling bear LOLs? I'm amazed they didn't give her a Will O' Wisp as a cute sidekick, though they practically did. That torn tapestry that needs to be sewn together is like a metaphor for the movie. Also, I thought the concluding sentimental resolution/bear fight was totally unearned and dishonest, even for Disney.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
the three triplets were awesome! I thought they would be bratty but they were great
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 15:16 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, but they're clearly just there to further slapstick things up. I mean, they don't even have names, do they?
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 15:50 (eleven years ago) link
the slapstick was well done I thought, the sort of thing you just can't do w/ live action
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 30 June 2012 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
Tell that to the Stooges.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 16:45 (eleven years ago) link
I liked this thread better when we were laughing at Wrongo McBloggingpants, less so now that we're just engaging Josh so that he can say how much he disliked the movie in minutely different ways.
― Moves Like Zappa (Leee), Saturday, 30 June 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
ILX is a neverending disappointment.
― Biff Wellington (WmC), Saturday, 30 June 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
Here Josh, let me respond to that for you: Much like "Brave," amirite?
― Moves Like Zappa (Leee), Saturday, 30 June 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
You guys don't know what it feels like to have your heart broken. Sniff...
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 18:07 (eleven years ago) link
the more i think about this, the more i like it
― uncondensed milky way (remy bean), Saturday, 30 June 2012 18:13 (eleven years ago) link
On a slightly more personal level, as the parent of two small daughters, I'm just looking for a movie that'll strike the same right chords for them that many of my childhood favorites struck for me. As Hollywood seems to have stopped making quality live action films for kids, Pixar is virtually all I've got, so I admit I hold them to a high standard.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 June 2012 18:16 (eleven years ago) link
so ridiculous to call the bear thing a mid-point spoiler or w/e. it's basically the entire movie. what a terrible ad campaign this had (including the title change)
― of family bonds and individual triumph. Narrated by Tim Allen, (zachlyon), Sunday, 1 July 2012 03:33 (eleven years ago) link
The triplets names are mentioned at the start, if not in the trailer! Hubert, Hamish and... Harris? I thought this was great, btw. Looked mindblowing. Saw it in 3d and the projection was not great, made a dark movie too dark. Would happily watch again in 2d.
― kinder, Sunday, 1 July 2012 09:01 (eleven years ago) link