scientology & celebrities

It's hard not to mention that both Masterson and Phillips are devout Scientologists. At one point, Phillips goes off on a long tangent about the dangers of psychiatrists medicating patients for depression or anxiety. "My grandparents didn't take any pills and they were fine. Just buck up and get over it. Stop being such a fucking pansy," she says, her bird-like voice taking on a deeper tone. I ask Masterson if Scientology helps him be successful in Hollywood. "The definition of Scientology is 'the study of knowledge,'" he explains carefully. "Obviously, the more knowledge you have in a given field, such as life, the more confident you are as a person. I don't feel any pressure from Hollywood at all. It's 80 percent a community of artists creating art -- there's no pressure making art, it's a necessity."

Later in the week, at Shin, the couple sits around a table with a pack of friends. In L.A., people often describe places as having "a New York vibe" and the scene at Shin has an urban edginess. "We're New Yorkers living in L.A.," Bijou says. "I think New Yorkers do things a little bit better. I bet if you looked at New Yorkers in relationships as compared to people from L.A. in relationships, New Yorkers have more long-term relationships." As they leave, they hold hands. Masterson always drives the car, tonight it's his 1970 Porsche 911S. "He's Irish and stubborn," Phillips says. It's a perfect starry L.A. night, and love is in the air.

off topic but - ugh you fucks go back to nyc then if its so amazing

NYC music scene couldn't handle DJ Mom Jeans

Speaking of Scientology v. Catholicism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opus_dei

(Not a secret Scientologist; long-time lurker who just now finally got around to registering.)

... riiiiiiiiiight

nice to make yr acquaintance, David Miscavige Theodora Celery

i would welcome scientologists posting on this thread

Theadora Celery = TC = COM TRUISE

(Adds DJP and Phil D. to SP list)

The Opus Dei thing is an even better comparison to Scientology than the Spanish Inquisition. It has the ordinary membership level and the hardcore Sea Org version (Numeraries.) With the cult of personality surrounding Escrivá, all it's really lacking is some sort of secret text.

Still, didn't the Jesuits start out really dodgy too? "Rule 13 of Ignatius' Rules for Thinking with the Church said: "That we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity[...], if [the Church] shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black."[3] Would be really funny if in 500 years, Scientologists become well known champions of education.

Theadora Celery = TC = COM TRUISE

― MacArthur Parkour (Phil D.), Tuesday, July 10, 2012 5:36 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Man, I wish I could remember how I came up with this name. It was a long time ago, and was supposed to be some sort of riff on Jonathan Swift. Jonathan = Grace of God, hence Theodora. Damned if I remember why I picked Celery.

That does not seem clear.

Still, didn't the Jesuits start out really dodgy too?

went to a jesuit high school, they are still crazy dodgy

As I recall, the Jesuits have been banned from several countries over the length of their existence

I believe my sister's brother-in-law (gay) just became a Jesuit.

Yup. Portugal, France, the Two Sicilies (Southern Italy and Sicily), Parma and the Spanish Empire had banned them by 1767.

Celebrity-wise, Mel and Tom seem similar in devotion and temper.

oh sure, richelieu and his lackeys!!

xp

Huh. I always thought that Jesuits had a reputation for being more liberal/ecumenical, at least since the 60s? I think a lot of that had to do with being involved with Liberation Theology, so maybe not. Still, would rather take Jesuit education over a Scientology based one.

Er, in this context, I think it's important to clarify that as 1960s. And I felt the bans were more or less based on them backing the wrong horses politically, than them being inherently sinister/creepy/culty.

ok not spain then whoops

still

xp2

Jesuits did have a rep as engaging with the 'world' in a way unknown or less well known to Catholic organizations before them but they also had (have) a rep as being highly disciplined and self-serving or at least protective of their corporate existence. Still, they were suppressed by Spain and Portugal partly because they stood against the enslavement of the natives in the New World.

"partly"

They were expelled from France because they were seen as a foreign force in a country that had already undergone brutal periods of civil strife over religion and already had a gallican/ultramontanist split.

It's not too dissimilar to the suppression of the Templars in France.

Funny how these things start in Spain. Opus Dei and Franco too.

Very catholic yet not too close to the pope, plus the popular, religious and secular cultures can all look back to the expulsion of the Muslim Moors and the Jews as a defining moment in Spanish identity.

Huh. I always thought that Jesuits had a reputation for being more liberal/ecumenical, at least since the 60s?

I thought this too. Also, they're big on education, right? I feel like many of the Catholic colleges/universities are Jesuit institutions.

Georgetown, Marquette...

Fordham, BC, Holy Cross, the Loyolas

Jesuits: good at education, basketball

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_%281491-1556%29_Founder_of_the_Jesuits.jpg/180px-St_Ignatius_of_Loyola_%281491-1556%29_Founder_of_the_Jesuits.jpg

hard in the paint

Katie joins the Jesuits.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/11/a-tour-of-st-francis-xavier-a-potential-new-church-for-katie-holmes.html

When John Sweeney made a TV documentary on the controversial church, he ended up followed, threatened by its leader, and on the wrong side of John Travolta.

The fake Katie Holmes tweet-quote seems like a first step of a PR move of "Scientology and Catholocism, what's the diff?" akin to the right calling the left hypocrites.

http://www.freezone.org/e_philo.htm

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/e_cbrufo.htm

(whole site appears to be a bit of a gold mine for anyone interested in the "old times" of scientology and how it was run in the good old days before lrh died)
(that's how I perceived it anyway)

http://www.theonion.com/articles/katie-holmes-glad-she-can-finally-practice-sciento,28780/

I went to a jesuit school and they seem to me to be the wanky liberals of catholicism. way more acceptance of philosphy and free will in the jesuit world, even if that's illegal beyond their own subset.

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

interesting myths wiki

http://www.scientologymyths.info/freezone/

jesuit apologists probably don't even have tv's

Take that back, I do have a TV, how dare you?

Freezoners (Ron's Org, Freezone, Galactic Patrol) are groups who alter Scientology technology and form their own groups to apply this altered technology. They are small in number and fairly insignificant to the Church. I understand the largest Freezone group is in Germany, which makes sense, since Germany is well behind the curve in supporting religious freedom.

^ amazing logic

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this was always my understanding, jesuits are why the church believes in space and evolution afaik

Katie Holmes looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets on the cover of Elle magazine

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/54111-katie-elle-again/1341934424_katie-holmes-elle-lg.jpg

photoshop disaster

Addicted to Love finalist.

i think parting the letters on the masthead & having the cover figure obscure them is kinda having your cake and eating it too

i want to crop it so that it says LOL with katie's head as the O