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That does not seem clear.

I found him in a Bon Ton ad (Nicole), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link

Still, didn't the Jesuits start out really dodgy too?

went to a jesuit high school, they are still crazy dodgy

Call Surgeon General C. Everett Koop. Poo-poo-pa-doop. (stevie), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:44 (eleven years ago) link

As I recall, the Jesuits have been banned from several countries over the length of their existence

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link

I believe my sister's brother-in-law (gay) just became a Jesuit.

Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

Yup. Portugal, France, the Two Sicilies (Southern Italy and Sicily), Parma and the Spanish Empire had banned them by 1767.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

Celebrity-wise, Mel and Tom seem similar in devotion and temper.

Odd Spice (Eazy), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

oh sure, richelieu and his lackeys!!

xp

du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:52 (eleven years ago) link

Huh. I always thought that Jesuits had a reputation for being more liberal/ecumenical, at least since the 60s? I think a lot of that had to do with being involved with Liberation Theology, so maybe not. Still, would rather take Jesuit education over a Scientology based one.

Theodora Celery, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

Er, in this context, I think it's important to clarify that as 1960s. And I felt the bans were more or less based on them backing the wrong horses politically, than them being inherently sinister/creepy/culty.

Theodora Celery, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

ok not spain then whoops

still

xp2

du. duplass. duplass mich. (goole), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

Jesuits did have a rep as engaging with the 'world' in a way unknown or less well known to Catholic organizations before them but they also had (have) a rep as being highly disciplined and self-serving or at least protective of their corporate existence. Still, they were suppressed by Spain and Portugal partly because they stood against the enslavement of the natives in the New World.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 20:59 (eleven years ago) link

"partly"

catbus otm (gbx), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:01 (eleven years ago) link

They were expelled from France because they were seen as a foreign force in a country that had already undergone brutal periods of civil strife over religion and already had a gallican/ultramontanist split.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

It's not too dissimilar to the suppression of the Templars in France.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

Funny how these things start in Spain. Opus Dei and Franco too.

Theodora Celery, Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:07 (eleven years ago) link

Very catholic yet not too close to the pope, plus the popular, religious and secular cultures can all look back to the expulsion of the Muslim Moors and the Jews as a defining moment in Spanish identity.

Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 10 July 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link

Huh. I always thought that Jesuits had a reputation for being more liberal/ecumenical, at least since the 60s?

I thought this too. Also, they're big on education, right? I feel like many of the Catholic colleges/universities are Jesuit institutions.

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

Georgetown, Marquette...

Odd Spice (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:10 (eleven years ago) link

Fordham, BC, Holy Cross, the Loyolas

(✿◠‿◠) (ENBB), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:42 (eleven years ago) link

Jesuits: good at education, basketball

I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 15:48 (eleven years ago) link

When John Sweeney made a TV documentary on the controversial church, he ended up followed, threatened by its leader, and on the wrong side of John Travolta.

el doctoro (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link

The fake Katie Holmes tweet-quote seems like a first step of a PR move of "Scientology and Catholocism, what's the diff?" akin to the right calling the left hypocrites.

Odd Spice (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 July 2012 19:59 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.freezone.org/e_philo.htm

PSOD (Ste), Sunday, 15 July 2012 00:40 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.freezone.org/cbr/e_cbrufo.htm

PSOD (Ste), Sunday, 15 July 2012 00:45 (eleven years ago) link

(whole site appears to be a bit of a gold mine for anyone interested in the "old times" of scientology and how it was run in the good old days before lrh died)
(that's how I perceived it anyway)

PSOD (Ste), Sunday, 15 July 2012 00:51 (eleven years ago) link

I went to a jesuit school and they seem to me to be the wanky liberals of catholicism. way more acceptance of philosphy and free will in the jesuit world, even if that's illegal beyond their own subset.

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Sunday, 15 July 2012 01:09 (eleven years ago) link

interesting myths wiki

http://www.scientologymyths.info/freezone/

PSOD (Ste), Sunday, 15 July 2012 02:08 (eleven years ago) link

jesuit apologists probably don't even have tv's

buzza, Sunday, 15 July 2012 07:11 (eleven years ago) link

Take that back, I do have a TV, how dare you?

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Sunday, 15 July 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link

Freezoners (Ron's Org, Freezone, Galactic Patrol) are groups who alter Scientology technology and form their own groups to apply this altered technology. They are small in number and fairly insignificant to the Church. I understand the largest Freezone group is in Germany, which makes sense, since Germany is well behind the curve in supporting religious freedom.

^ amazing logic

funny-skrillex-bee_132455836669.gif (s1ocki), Sunday, 15 July 2012 15:30 (eleven years ago) link

Overall a v hands off experience about religion, with far more emphasis on deeds and education than doctrine. surprised others have diff views upthread.

― Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:09 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this was always my understanding, jesuits are why the church believes in space and evolution afaik

catbus otm (gbx), Sunday, 15 July 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Katie Holmes looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets on the cover of Elle magazine

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/54111-katie-elle-again/1341934424_katie-holmes-elle-lg.jpg

some dude, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 13:35 (eleven years ago) link

photoshop disaster

get you ass to mahs (abanana), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link

Addicted to Love finalist.

Earth, Wind & Fire & Alabama (Eazy), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link

i think parting the letters on the masthead & having the cover figure obscure them is kinda having your cake and eating it too

, Blogger (schlump), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link

i want to crop it so that it says LOL with katie's head as the O

some dude, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 17:03 (eleven years ago) link

statue gif plz

Matt Armstrong, Monday, 13 August 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

let's start by defining the word "strategy"

the choogler and the chosen one (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 13 August 2012 22:35 (eleven years ago) link

one month passes...

so I read Bare Faced Messiah, crazy shit, but what I wondered throughout is, why do people seem to talk so highly about the auditing? Is it cos they're all far gone down a process of indoctrination, or did LRH sort of steal a march on psychiatry by allowing people to just open up about shit at a time when it wasn't common to do so, and take advantage of the dependency that that patient/counsellor relationship can create?

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Saturday, 15 September 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link

also there are vague mentions of hypnosis being involved...

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Saturday, 15 September 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link

Inside Scientology by Janet Reitman was a fascinating book. I'm about to read the Vanity Fair article on the church's selection/auditioning process for a new girlfriend/wife for Cruise (which process led them & him to choose Katie Holmes, after a few other candidates had been considered, auditioned, and rejected).

*sad hug eomticon* (Control Z), Saturday, 15 September 2012 18:35 (eleven years ago) link

I'm really curious to if they'll do anything the day The Master is released--if they make a special magazine like their New Yorker parody and pamphleteer, or what.

canonical casual cordouroy (Eazy), Sunday, 16 September 2012 02:51 (eleven years ago) link

Holy carp, that letter!

"It is inconceivable (to the entire world) that Mr. Cruise would have difficulty getting a girlfriend," writes a lawyer for the Church.

*sad hug eomticon* (Control Z), Sunday, 16 September 2012 02:58 (eleven years ago) link

true

pandemic, Sunday, 16 September 2012 11:49 (eleven years ago) link

it was just too good not to keep around for a while

Inconceivable (to the entire world) (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, 16 September 2012 12:38 (eleven years ago) link


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