i moved to the country and theres no delivery is the only reason im able to eat healthy at all
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
been eating paleo roughly 80% of the time since the end of june, lost 20lbs, more to lose on the way, loving it
― DX Dx DX (dan m), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:57 (eleven years ago) link
i have paleo for athletes, the differences are p subtle, its really for putting together a training regimen for like doing a marathon or w/e where youre looking to be super precise, rather than being for someone who just gets a lot of exercise
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
man school + stress + indolence has completely scuppered my once-decent dietary habits.
man school will do that to you.
― Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 September 2012 16:59 (eleven years ago) link
diet fads are the weirdest thing
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:07 (eleven years ago) link
this idea that every 10 years someone has figured out the BEST way for people to eat... it reminds me of parenting books, every 10 years we've FINALLY figured out how to raise children! lol.
*thinks deeply*
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
were you guys all on the atkins diet ten years ago serious question
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
nope, the paleo diet is the only one ive ever tried, the thing that attracted me to it is that its mostly popular w/fitness fanatics rather than people who want to lose weight, and i didnt really need to lose weight but i was interested in eating healthier and getting ripped, so there you go
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:10 (eleven years ago) link
can you smash bricks with your bare hands yet
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
of course
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
yeah basically the paleo way of eating goes really well with my workout habits.
― carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:13 (eleven years ago) link
juan atkins diet
― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:15 (eleven years ago) link
To be honest, paleo just seems like a dogmatic version of a normal weight-training diet. Pound of kale + whole roast chicken for dinner? Sure. Eliminating carbohydrates is weird to me, though, I don't think that's good for your body. And eliminating nightshades just sounds like insanity.
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:16 (eleven years ago) link
I still do this in phases from time to time. Paleo is a more common-sense, sustainable 'lifestyle' diet imo, but when I want to shed a few pounds, Atkins + exercise has proven to be the most effective method for me. ymmv obv
― Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:17 (eleven years ago) link
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:16 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
you can eat tons of carbs just not starches or refined sugars, as for everyone saying this just seems like common sense, interesting to see how the common sense has changed over the years via the popularity of fad diets, i mean like the us government still recommends a shit ton of starches to this day, although less than they used to
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
not long ago people thought pasta was super healthy cause it doesnt have any fat!
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
you can eat tons of carbs
mmmmm sweet potatoes
― carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:21 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, OK. My Crossfitting friend told me "no carbs" and I was like "you crazy". He looks good, though. Tough.
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:22 (eleven years ago) link
personally I just try to observe simple rules (drilled into me primarily from my mom, whose father was this guy) - don't eat any processed shit (transfat, junk food, sodas, mass market meat products, etc.), cook at home, eat a lot of veggies (primarily organic produce from the co-op plus our CSA box), meat a couple times a week. that's pretty much it. I walk a mile a day. I do not have a catchy name or rationale for this diet.
xp
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:23 (eleven years ago) link
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:22 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well carbs often is just used as shorthand for starches, just also like the sugar in fuit is carbs too
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:24 (eleven years ago) link
so its not like atkins where youre really going for the metabolic response to eating no carbs at all
― lag∞n, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah atkins is trying to shoot ketosis all the time
― carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:26 (eleven years ago) link
i do keep to relativity low carb but that's just me
― carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:27 (eleven years ago) link
No I understood paleo to be about monitoring your insulin and so forth.
I can't get behind eating so much meat, myself, nor giving up nightshades or legumes. Plus, the rhetoric like "Mbutu tribes in modern day Papua New Guinea surely subsisted on cassava root and yams so these root vegetables are deemed paleo" infuriates me. Honestly I feel like I have more in common with Ted Nugent's "let's kill something + eat it" style than "let's go to the supermarket and pretend we're cavemen" thing. Not knocking paleo, I just can't suspend my disbelief enough to actually try it out
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:29 (eleven years ago) link
Also pasta is good for you especially when topped with sauce of nightshade and shaved dairy product, welcome to the 21st century
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
all that mumbo jumbo is like yeah whatever then you start eating this way and feel great and see results in body composition. that's what sold me on it
― carne asada, Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
You only have to give up nightshades if you're sensitive to them - it's kind of an elimination diet thing.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
let's go to the supermarket and pretend we're cavemen
yeah this shit is obnoxious
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:34 (eleven years ago) link
I clubbed the last person that told me that and stole there fire btw
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
Paleo strikes me as somewhat different from other fad diets because you don't, strictly speaking, have to be in caloric restriction to eat paleo. It's a lifestyle/diet you can maintain even once you've reached your goal weight (if you want to lose weight) because all it really boils down to is the Michael Pollan line about eating food, mostly plants, etc..
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
(really, you only have a caloric restriction BECAUSE you're cutting out so many high-calorie/high-carb foods like bread and pasta and milk)
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i'd think that paleo/veganism (our resident NNs favorite diets) are more focused on maintenance than they are on "losing weight"
― catbus otm (gbx), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
I figure you could skip the mumbo-jumbo and just write the world's shortest diet book:- eat a solid amount of protein to maintain lean mass- eat a ton of non-starchy vegetables, mostly greens- don't drink sugar- dairy's okay if it doesn't give you the shits, don't drink too much- bread/rice/etc. in small doses - don't live on the Endless Pasta Bowl, etc.- fast for a day or two on occasion
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
^^^
well I dunno about the fasting thing
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
See I prefer "eat lots of rice and quinoa and ease up on the corn, wheat and potatoes" but I used to be macro/vegan so that's my own bias talking. I think I just have a problem with "lots of meat!" in any diet b/c of processing, sodium, environmental concerns, cruelty, non-sustainability, mercury, nitrates, expense, and that it's such a privileged diet to indulge upon. Boring concerns, yeah zzzzz. Generally I decide what to eat protein-wise by allowing myself a chicken, a fish, a steak and a dozen eggs every week but I like that kind of symmetry. The parable diet.
― a whiter shade of paleo (Ówen P.), Thursday, 20 September 2012 17:59 (eleven years ago) link
totally feel you on the meat thing. industrial production of beef is pretty fucking odious.
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
paleo diet is like this one weird trick to get you to eat unprocessed foods
― barthes simpson, Thursday, 20 September 2012 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
fast for a day or two on occasion
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:42 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
milo tell me more about fasting
― carne asada, Monday, 24 September 2012 13:02 (eleven years ago) link
just eat more fancy beets. you'll feel like a million bucks!
― Broney, Pt. 1 (Pillbox), Thursday, September 20, 2012 9:38 AM (4 days ago) Bookmark
Words to live by!
― these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 24 September 2012 13:10 (eleven years ago) link
So what do you paleo people eat for breakfast? No fiber cereal or oatmeal?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
a live salmon
― clouds, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
OP: Mostly bullshit. There's no question that eating less processed food is healthier, and if you're going to eat meat that grass-fed beef is healthier (its higher in n−3 fatty acids). But, overall, a low carb animal protein based diet will kill you.
The argument in Loren Cordain's books (which started the paleo fad over a decade ago) was a lot of hand-waving and few studies. Our paleo ancestors weren't subsisting on a diet of persistance hunting run down antelope. Hunter gatherers get around 60% of their calories from plants, with the exception of the Eskimos, who died young, with lotsa of gout and osteoporosis from eating too much protein. And there's ample evidence that our common ancestor with the common chimp and bonobo got 80% of their calories from plants, the average human has 3 times the number of amylase (starch digesting) gene as chimps (even the Eskimos), so we've likely been cooking tubers and seeds over the campfire for as long as we've controlled fire (400k, maybe 700k years BP). So a evolutionary argument for a mostly animal protein paleo diet would rest on any adaptations we picked up in the window after bipedalism and before fire - a pretty short window considering how long our primate ancestors were eating leaves a fruit.
― ‽ Interrobang You're Dead ‽ (Sanpaku), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:33 (eleven years ago) link
the thing is, everything will eventually kill you
― cake-like Lady Gaga (DJP), Monday, 24 September 2012 14:34 (eleven years ago) link
paleo endorses eat plants and carbs just fyi, you might be thinking of atkins
― lag∞n, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:39 (eleven years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Monday, September 24, 2012 10:25 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
eggs and kale usually, maybe a lil smoked salmon
― lag∞n, Monday, 24 September 2012 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
leafy green (spinach, yam leaves, whatever, steamed) + leftover block of protein (whatever i ate for dinner or pwo meal) . first meal is always mainly protein + fat + leafy green. and the last meal of the day is always prepped with breakfast in mind.
― dylannn, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:31 (eleven years ago) link
if im really pressed its boiled egg * 3 + block of frozen spinach splashed with olive oil after microwaving
― dylannn, Monday, 24 September 2012 17:33 (eleven years ago) link
so i am a week in now, and pretty sold on this deal. lost 1.5 pounds, but more importantly the location of that weight seems to be shifting out of ye old beer belly and into like muscles and stuff in a pretty notable way? way more energy, sleeping better, not feeling like i am going to die after i work out, drinking a shit ton more water. and most of the recipes have been awesome (crustless swirled quiche less so) - in particular a laab esan variant made with ground turkey that made me realize that up until now i have been living a lie thx to not having chinese 5 spice in my house.
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
one quick question - this thing keeps hassling me to replace my soy sauce with coconut aminos, which sounds terrible to me. is it a thing? does it suck?
― O_o-O_O-o_O (jjjusten), Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link