― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago) link
Best colour film? The Godfather 1/2.
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― henry miller, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago) link
X^n post:And the extremely sympathetic villian/rival played by Claude Rains in Notorious (after all, his mother is the real villian) is a much more interesting character than that goody-two-shoes Victor Laszlo.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:24 (nineteen years ago) link
Citizen Kane is a technical tour de force, but I don't get the same emotional hit that from it that I do Casablanca. I always end up with a tear or two at the end of the Curtiz movie, and Bogart's Rick is a more complex character than Welles' Kane. He's a guy broken in half through loss, something that touches virtually everyone and makes for a strong emotional core. The characters in Casablanca are really what makes it a classic. Finding a script, acting or characterisation like that is hard - whether today or whether almost sixty five years ago.
if you had time to write that then why you couldn't you have done so at the beginning? this board suffers from yours and others usual 'X is Y cos i say so' route, as does your reputation as a critic. i can't believe you get any satisfaction out of that. be surprised if anyone else does either. just some friendly advice from the amateur critics critic...
― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:32 (nineteen years ago) link
I have a love of classic Hollywood too though.
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago) link
CC, perhaps you would prefer the feel-good remake starring Michael Richards, Citizen Kramer.
Actually my favorite output of those bald Epstein twins are the Hollywood novels of son and nephew Leslie.
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
P.S. Best avante garde? Any movie with the legend, "directed by Jack Hill".
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― henry miller, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago) link
*made in the 1980s.
― splooge (thesplooge), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
A movie that was advertised on our schools' religious notices board, back in 1969...
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link
NB to CC72: csblnca WAS a faceless blockbuster when it came out; it was precisely that. i'm surprised you haven't read the stories of its creation.. it barely got made; other people were going to play the lead roles until the last moments; no one expected it to do more than the other junk the studios cranked out by the bucketload; it was just one of those movies where everything clicked and the years added to people's appreciation of it (its politics have held up, for one thing, as someone mentioned above). so don't get too snotty about "faceless hollywood"!
― You've Got to Pick Up Every Stitch (tracerhand), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago) link
avant-garde: Of, relating to, or being part of an innovative group, especially one in the arts.
Best film with innovative techniques used then, yes?
Star Wars then, surely?
― Johnney B (Johnney B), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago) link
Jack Hill is a legend. Check out "Switchblade Sisters", "Spider Baby", "Coffy" and "Foxy Brown".
Dario Argento from 1969 to 1987 is a pretty good bet. Mario Bava as well. Dellamorte Dellamore is worth seeing too.
A Boy and His Dog is an apocalyptic classic. I did a thread on that before.
B-cinema is always pretty interesting when done well. William Castle, Tod Browning, Val Lewton...
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago) link
um
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― Ken L (Ken L), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago) link
Dario Argento from 1969 to 1987 is a pretty good bet.why
Mario Bava as well.why
Dellamorte Dellamore is worth seeing too.why
B-cinema is always pretty interesting when done well.give reasons
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago) link
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:58 (nineteen years ago) link
― henry miller, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 14:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:00 (nineteen years ago) link
― henry miller, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Really dude, learn to tell Rains from Conrad Veidt. You guys talk about analog recordings the way you do b&w?
"Casablanca" is arguably a great MOVIE -- iconic, beloved, still works its magic (I've likely seen it 11 or 12 times myself) -- but to claim it as some great work of cinema borders on laughable. For all the smart punchy lines the Epstein brothers wrote, there's howlers like "Victor, please don't go to the underground meeting tonight."
It was a happy accident, as described above, and just look at the scenes before Rick's entrance to see what a hoary, jerrybuilt melodrama it might've been.
Isabella Rossellini says her mom often wondered aloud why fans always wanted to talk about "that Bogart picture."
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Masked Gazza, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link
i do like conrad vedit that said. but why this film, not 'the spy in black' or whatever. there are lots of films like 'casablanca' really. (like 'pepe le moko', mofo).
― henry miller, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago) link
CafePress does better turnaround than that, dude.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:11 (nineteen years ago) link
You know, I'm still gonna say it's a masterpiece of cinema because of how it all blends, the set, the atmosphere, the romance, the tension...
If cinema is entertainment then Casablanca remains one its masterpieces. Sit and beat your meat over Godard all you want.
P.S. Ned, quite possibly. It's about how long it's gonna take me to get it completed. The first one should be out sooner.
― CC79, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago) link
-- Ned Raggett (ne...) (webmail), January 5th, 2005 3:11 PM. (link)
Pshh. I'm saying NOWT!
― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― henry miller, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago) link
just like the chanel ads with the girl that walks around in golden water! you know those? way superior to casablanca, and well worth seeing.
ps: yum ;)
― :| (....), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago) link
― CC72, Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
but everybody's having such a good time
― mookieproof, Monday, 23 January 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
imago, why do you hate fun?
(btw, I stand by my initial post itt.)
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Monday, 23 January 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
Orson Welles loved it -- sort of!
https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2017/01/31/reluctant-enthusiast-orson-welles-casablanca/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
It's a good film and all, but Casablanca wouldn't even make my Top 100 for B&W movies.
― Jazzbo, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
Funnily enough, I watched it on Monday for the first time in years. Not my favorite Bergman performance. I was struck this time by the ease with which Curtiz shoots the scene b/w Ilsa and Sam: it's rare to see a period film in which a beloved white woman talks casually to a black man. Also, Rick includes Sam in the champagne toast, even pours him a glass.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link
A couple of Curtiz films around '50 are similarly generous to characters played by the Afro-Puerto Rican actor Juano Hernandez: The Breaking Point and Young Man with a Horn.
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link
Claude Rains's last-minute transformation from opportunistic jerk to hero is such a classic bit of old-school acting and charisma
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:36 (seven years ago) link
sweetnessheart, what watch?
ten watch.
such much?
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 February 2017 17:45 (seven years ago) link
Huh, always thought it was "such watch?"
― “a tub of horses” (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
that's how i recall it
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link
Rains dropssuch watch
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 February 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link
I believe it's such much watch
― niels, Thursday, 9 February 2017 21:23 (seven years ago) link
Super Borges just made an appearance on another thread.
― ABBA O RLY? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 11 September 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link