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WASHINGTON (AP) — US Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg hospitalized for surgery for pancreatic cancer.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link

Jeez that sucks.

Alex in SF, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Although this makes it sound slightly less awful:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/02/05/us/AP-Scotus-Ginsburg.html?_r=1&hp

Alex in SF, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:24 (fifteen years ago) link

:(

double bird strike (gabbneb), Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:26 (fifteen years ago) link

;_;

The Reverend (rev), Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:49 (fifteen years ago) link

All the justices should have short, catchy nicknames and wear trucker hats with their nicknames stitched on the front. This would improve their deliberations and def add more weight to their dissenting opinions.

Aimless, Thursday, 5 February 2009 18:55 (fifteen years ago) link

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SCOTUS_GINSBURG?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg plans to be back at work for the court's next public session, less than three weeks after surgery for pancreatic cancer.

Ginsburg intends to be in court when the justices hear arguments on Feb. 23, Supreme Court spokeswoman Kathy Arberg said Friday.

The 75-year-old justice is currently recuperating at a New York hospital after undergoing surgery on Thursday. Arberg had no other information on Ginsburg's condition.

Mr. Que, Friday, 6 February 2009 22:32 (fifteen years ago) link

two months pass...

souter stepping down, it sez.

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 May 2009 02:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Time to watch Hugh Hewitt start crying into his beer.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:43 (fifteen years ago) link

oh boy! Weekend Corner fodder!

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 02:53 (fifteen years ago) link

Why, it begins:

Supreme Court Justice Souter Retiring [Mark Hemingway]

NPR report here.

04/30 10:14 PM

--

Obama's First Supreme Moment [Kathryn Jean Lopez]

NBC is evidently reporting Souter will retire .... I see Mark posted this but I did from the Santa Monica pier and he didn't.

04/30 10:16 PM

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:58 (fifteen years ago) link

So how quick for the 'he KNEW Specter was switching and waited!' conspiracy theories to go around?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 02:59 (fifteen years ago) link

amazing to remember now how souter was demonized during his nomination process from the left and now he's going out as some sort of semi-hero

velko, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Signs of the times -- all RedState can do is say 'we need Jeff Sessions to be the ranking member on the committee!'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link

Souter was Reason #235 why the right hated George H.W. Bush. I doubt he'll leave a lasting impact on the court; moderates and swing votes in the Potter Stewart-Owen Roberts decision rare do. But he at least curbed excesses from the right.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:09 (fifteen years ago) link

*decision = tradition

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link

thanks, guys, i accept your nomination

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:12 (fifteen years ago) link

I really expected Ginsburg to retire first, given her health problems.

Saula (Nicole), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:16 (fifteen years ago) link

has Stevens beat William O. Douglas in being the oldest serving judge (not the same as longest on the court)?

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:17 (fifteen years ago) link

he just turned 89 last week iirc

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:18 (fifteen years ago) link

i saw rbg speak last month actually and she seemed pretty sharp!

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:19 (fifteen years ago) link

i guess douglas retired when he was 77

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:20 (fifteen years ago) link

Eric Anderson (mbitsko) wrote:

Hmmm....a RINO chooses this week to switch sides, thus giving the Dems a veto-proof majority, and all of a sudden Souter announces he's retiring.

Coincidence? Only if you're an IDIOT.
Thursday, April 30, 2009 11:08:30 PM

velko, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:23 (fifteen years ago) link

Well that didn't take long.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:24 (fifteen years ago) link

this one had me roflmao-ing

It was a good bet that at least two of the Supreme Court justices wouldn’t last this term (Ginsberg, cancer-striken, 76, & Stevens, 89). Here’s the third. And now, good citizens, we see the realization of the scariest, most dangerous promise of Obama’s election/ascendancy: his appointment of Supreme Court justices.

I will pray for my country tonight. (And buy ammo tomorrow.)

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:25 (fifteen years ago) link

You know, if the dude wanted to write his memoirs I'd be all for it.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:29 (fifteen years ago) link

hopefully ginsberg or stevens goes out w/ a massacre, otherwise this really just treading water at best, no?

iatee, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Just the advantage of trading 70- and 80-somethings for 50-somethings.

WmC, Friday, 1 May 2009 03:38 (fifteen years ago) link

plus we can please get another woman on there for god's sake. more wimmin!

would you ask tom petty that? (tipsy mothra), Friday, 1 May 2009 03:54 (fifteen years ago) link

not really a gain on the bench by replacing ginsberg, stevens, and souter though, is there? I mean, why won't scalia or thomas drop dead or retire or something, please?

akm, Friday, 1 May 2009 04:28 (fifteen years ago) link

Now you see the full deviousness of the Republican nomination strategy: pick 'em young, stonewall through the confirmation, and control that SCOTUS seat for 3 decades.

Aimless, Friday, 1 May 2009 04:34 (fifteen years ago) link

the Jeffrey Toobin book about SCOTUS claims that Souter was so bitter about Bush v Gore that he almost stepped down then.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 12:52 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think it needs to be said on this board, but if the Specter switch had anything to do with Souter's decision, I'll be totally amazed. It's all Obama election + getting to the end of the current court term.

WmC, Friday, 1 May 2009 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link

On an unrelated note, Dahlia Lithwick has a funny play-by-play on the Voting Rights Act case currently before the Court.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:22 (fifteen years ago) link

i saw rbg speak last month actually and she seemed pretty sharp!

well, yeah

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:24 (fifteen years ago) link

?

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link

i meant for someone who is old and has cancer and people expect to retire

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:26 (fifteen years ago) link

lol malkin and her "legal sources" http://michellemalkin.com/2009/05/01/obamas-choices-gird-your-loins/

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 13:35 (fifteen years ago) link

Okay so for a trifecta we need one more old-line GOP-affiliated government person to make a decision that causes most everyone to go WTF with a last name that starts with S and ends with 'er'

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 13:43 (fifteen years ago) link

-It is also unclear that a Justice Kagan would be an adequately independent check on executive excesses. She has argued in favor of greatly enhanced presidential control over the bureaucracy, which is concerning in light of President Obama’s unprecedented centralization of power in the White House.

o_O

WmC, Friday, 1 May 2009 13:44 (fifteen years ago) link

Anything to keep themselves happy.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 14:02 (fifteen years ago) link

ok lololololol at Kagan on the Supreme Court

the freakish wonder of nature that is "Beat Me" (HI DERE), Friday, 1 May 2009 14:04 (fifteen years ago) link

JUSTICE HI DERE

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 May 2009 14:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean, I have heard from RELIABLE SOURCES that it's something she desperately wants, but I'm categorically opposed to that for the exact same reason I was categorically opposed to Harriet Miers; you should have served as a judge if you're going to be on the Supreme Court.

the freakish wonder of nature that is "Beat Me" (HI DERE), Friday, 1 May 2009 14:07 (fifteen years ago) link

. . .or at least argued a case in front of the Supreme Court

Mr. Que, Friday, 1 May 2009 14:09 (fifteen years ago) link

As Legal Times reported in January, the selection of experienced appellate litigators for the position of solicitor general is a relatively recent phenomenon that parallels specialization at the Court generally. Past solicitors general who had not argued before the Court until after their selection include Robert Bork, Wade McCree, and Kenneth Starr.

Mr. Que, Friday, 1 May 2009 14:11 (fifteen years ago) link

i meant for someone who is old and has cancer and people expect to retire

neither cancer nor age nor the possibility of retirement necessarily make someone weak of mind.

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 14:12 (fifteen years ago) link

you should have served as a judge if you're going to be on the Supreme Court

there are lots of smart people, lawyers included, who disagree

loaded forbear (gabbneb), Friday, 1 May 2009 14:13 (fifteen years ago) link

wow i didn't know thanks xp

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Friday, 1 May 2009 14:14 (fifteen years ago) link

don't assume for a second this is going to be status quo OR a move to the lib side

Dr Morbius, Friday, 1 May 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link

"Honoring God by honoring His creatures,"

honoring god's creatures by splattering their guts on the ground

― crüt, Thursday, February 25, 2016 11:43 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally spent the last ten minutes trying to put together a joke about latin conjugation but it just wasn't happening

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link

deguts-tabus very disgusting.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:52 (eight years ago) link

do they hunt in those?

denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 25 February 2016 19:59 (eight years ago) link

poon, maybe

goole, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link

These fossils remind me of our college paper adviser's wife, who on learning our editor in chief was of Honduran descent chirped, "Oh, yes! Our gardener is Honduran."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:05 (eight years ago) link

what if a democrat gets elected, and Rs just never approve another judge? now they have the "excuse" that obama's a lame duck that everyone knows is bullshit but is maybe just enough of a veneer to waste time. so presumably it would get harder to justify, but really what's stopping them? and then if the next judge to die is a D, we're back to conservative majority

flopson, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:24 (eight years ago) link

xp this has never really happened before so it is hard to know, if obama nominates someone and the democrats sustain coherent messaging around this it could be hard for the republicans to keep an obstruction campaign going that long, idk though

marcos, Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:29 (eight years ago) link

Nothing stops the Senate from simply refusing to consent to any more justices.

The Court has had six, seven, and even ten justices at various times. Nothing magical about nine.

Any of them could die of course, but the next easily foreseen vacancy is Ginsburg's retirement (which will presumably be either five minutes after the next Democrat is elected, or five minutes after the next Democrat is inaugurated).

And Republicans could lose the Senate majority, which would complicate their ability to block justices by committee inaction (but they may retain the ability to filibuster).

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link

Is there really no procedure to force a committee to hold a hearing on something?

on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Thursday, 25 February 2016 20:50 (eight years ago) link

Yes, it's called "win the majority so that you control the chair."

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link

anything else is Stalinism

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 25 February 2016 21:59 (eight years ago) link

Ginsburg's retirement (which will presumably be either five minutes after the next Democrat is elected, or five minutes after the next Democrat is inaugurated).

I think she wants to stay on the court and will not retire even if a Dem gets elected

curmudgeon, Thursday, 25 February 2016 22:59 (eight years ago) link

Well, let's at least agree she won't retire voluntarily under President Trump or President Cruz.

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 25 February 2016 23:09 (eight years ago) link

Washington Monthly sez Amy Klobuchar would be a good pick.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 February 2016 14:50 (eight years ago) link

If she got nominated and the Senate refused to hold a hearing, how would that affect her own job as a US Senator?

In other news:

Scalia's law clerks have to learn how to write for other justices, and not like Scalia:

By Supreme Court custom and tradition, the four law clerks will be absorbed by the chambers of other Justices and will be allowed to finish the Court Term. As a result, it is likely that several Justices will have a fifth law clerk for the next five months into July after the Court Term ends.

This will present them with some challenges and adjustments. Scalia told a law student group in fall 2014 that he took pride in the fact that his law clerks over the years had learned to imitate his writing style, even his very unique forceful, colorful, and acerbic style of dissenting opinions. The clerks will have to adapt to new ways of doing things.

The four clerks may also have some responsibilities for helping to organize Scalia’s papers, assuming that those papers may be donated to an archive in the future. This issue is discussed more below.

Who are the clerks? The three men and one woman hail from law schools at the University of Virginia, Chicago, Northwestern, and Harvard. All four clerked for federal appeals court judges before going to work for Scalia, and two also clerked for a federal district judge. Three graduated from law school in 2013 and one in 2011.

http://www.scotusblog.com/2016/02/scotus-for-law-students-questions-about-the-court-after-justice-scalias-death/#more-238831

curmudgeon, Friday, 26 February 2016 18:07 (eight years ago) link

I know Roberts is the only justice who writes a considerable portion of his own opinions, but learning a couple years ago the degree to which Antonin Scalia, Brilliant Prose Stylist, uses clerk ghost writers amused me no end.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 February 2016 18:15 (eight years ago) link

I'm sorry to hear that the clerks of a dead justice are not expected to leap onto the funeral pyre, or undergo seppuku in order to be buried with their late master.

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 February 2016 20:59 (eight years ago) link

buried alive in the same pyramid

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:02 (eight years ago) link

Meanwhile here's something interesting: a 1983 opinion piece written by one Antonin Scalia.

"The basic difference between the parties is quite simple: The Democrats want to run the country, and the Republicans don't want them to." I have since come to call this profound insight the Saxbe Hypothesis - the proposition that the basic goal of the Republican party is not to govern, but to prevent the Democrats from doing so.

http://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/serials/files/regulation/1981/1/v5n1-3.pdf

rock me, I'm a deist (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link

I know Roberts is the only justice who writes a considerable portion of his own opinions, but learning a couple years ago the degree to which Antonin Scalia, Brilliant Prose Stylist, uses clerk ghost writers amused me no end.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 26, 2016 12:15 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that is pretty amusing! i had long thought that the CW was that Scalia was at the very least an entertaining writer, even when making bad decisions

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link

he was like Sid Caesar, did the awesome slapstick but hired a great staff

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:16 (eight years ago) link

just replace "slapstick" with "language that routinely demeans marginalized groups"

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:30 (eight years ago) link

that seems like more of a Don Rickles thing

Οὖτις, Friday, 26 February 2016 21:32 (eight years ago) link

judicial slapstick defined

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:40 (eight years ago) link

antonin scalia, the don rickles of jurispudence

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 26 February 2016 21:55 (eight years ago) link

what a legacy

https://bol.bna.com/scalias-death-prompts-dow-to-settle-suits-for-835-million/

The Midland, Michigan-based company disputed a jury’s finding it had conspired with four other chemical makers to fix urethane prices and asked the Supreme Court to take the class- action case on appeal. Scalia, one of the court’s most conservative members, had voted to scale back the reach of such group suits.

“Growing political uncertainties due to recent events with the Supreme Court and increased likelihood for unfavorable outcomes for business involved in class-action suits have changed Dow’s risk assessment of the situation,” the company said in an e-mailed statement.

goole, Friday, 26 February 2016 23:02 (eight years ago) link

^^^ a big deal.

This not so much:

Antonin Scalia generally detested science. It threatened everything he believed in. He refused to join a recent Supreme Court opinion about DNA testing because it presented the details of textbook molecular biology as fact. He could not join because he did not know such things to be true, he said. (On the other hand, he knew all about the eighteenth century. History books were trustworthy; science books were not.) Scientists should be listened to only if they supported conservative causes, for example dubious studies purporting to demonstrate that same-sex parenting is harmful to children. Scientists were also good if they helped create technologies he liked, such as oil drills and deadly weapons.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:27 (eight years ago) link

I worked for him early in his tenure on the Supreme Court. He had visited my law school when I was a student, and I was smitten by his warmth and humor and sheer intellectual vibrancy. When I applied for a clerkship at the Court, my hero Justice Brennan quickly filled all his positions, so Scalia became my first choice. He offered me a job and I thought I’d won the lottery. I knew we differed politically, but he prized reason and I would help him be reasonable. A more naive young fool never drew breath.

I can attest to the many nice things people have said about the Justice. He was erudite and frighteningly smart. He said what he thought, not what was expedient. He was generous to friends and family. He loved his clerks and helped them get dream jobs. And we returned the favor by not thinking about what we were doing, then or afterward. What I took for the pursuit of reason in those chambers was in fact the manufacture of verbal munitions, to be deployed against civilian populations. From the comfort of our leather chairs, we never saw the victims.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link

Saw that last bit from a Prof who had clerked. Helps put the lie to his genius and originalist text reading nonsense.

curmudgeon, Monday, 29 February 2016 16:31 (eight years ago) link

The absence of Scalia is really sending shockwaves through the court:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/thomas-asks-questions

Check Yr Scrobbles (Moodles), Monday, 29 February 2016 16:38 (eight years ago) link

the jokes write themselves obv

k3vin k., Monday, 29 February 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link

i wish the mic would have have awful feedback or cut out or something

Karl Malone, Monday, 29 February 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

unleash the booming baritone!

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 29 February 2016 17:00 (eight years ago) link

Hey Alfred, where did you get that quote from the Scalia clerk?

tobo73, Monday, 29 February 2016 18:00 (eight years ago) link

closing thread. Go here:

U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Nino Edition

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 March 2016 12:33 (eight years ago) link


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