yeah no idea what Aimless meant
― ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 11:56 (eleven years ago) link
afaik no scientologists are actually going to read any books or watch any news items about their organization and most will probably listen even more intently to the leadership, what with the threat from the outside world being intensified
― mh, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:35 (eleven years ago) link
i think you'd be surprised. i have no involvement w/ scientology, but my experience w/ other closed 'culty' organizations is that this kind of stuff tends to slip through the cracks. people are naturally curious about what the world is saying about them.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:37 (eleven years ago) link
well sure, and then a handful leave, and the rest pull in closer.
maybe I should have said "no /real/ scientologists" in an homage to the scotsman fallacy
― mh, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:40 (eleven years ago) link
http://thehairpin.com/2012/12/scientology-and-me-part-six-postscript
The whole series is fascinating, but this part gets into how persecuted those still in the Church feel.
― Ulna (Nicole), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
That's the most sensitive, nuanced memoir of this stuff I've seen, thanks.
― dow, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz/media2/tone-scale6.jpghttp://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz/media2/tone-scale-enthusiasm.jpg
― © all the feelings (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.lyricsmusica.it/img/artisti/big/the+40+year+old+virgin-the-40-year-old-virgin-40yrvirgin.jpg
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
the 4.0 virgin
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
Hahaha
― Evan, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 22:11 (eleven years ago) link
woah theres a very interesting comment in the Hairpin article claimed by an ex Sci that is somethign I'd never heard of as a tactic before:
*As an example, roughly 15 years ago, when the Internet was first starting to become a Thing, the church passed out CD-ROMs that everyone was instructed to install on their personal computers. The CD-ROMs contained software that would block your computer's ability to view anything on the Internet pertaining to Scientology that wasn't an official Scientology website. THAT is how serious they are about making sure that their followers are kept in the dark.
― Manti and the Catfish (Trayce), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 22:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah, and the point is it's an *ex*-Sci, it's her perspective that's so nuanced; for inst, I'd never thought of what she says about giving 'em the plebes the stink-eye just alienates them that much more from the outside world, confirms the asshole doctrines about the outside world, and that they've got nowhere to go now, outside THE CHURCH (just in case you're thinking of leaving). Also, they hit 'em with a bill if they do go.
― dow, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 00:25 (eleven years ago) link
The scientology center on Franklin, across from UCB, is incredible. Even without scientology it looks like a building the Ghostbusters would need to stake out.
― Cunga, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 00:40 (eleven years ago) link
yeah the structure of the roof cap is exactly like the kind of telemetry tracker that NASA uses to identify dead pulsars in deep space. cold riveted girders with cores of pure selenium. the architect was either a certified genius or an aesthetic wacko. the whole building is a huge super-conductive antenna that was designed and built expressly for the purpose of pulling in and concentrating spiritual turbulence.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 00:43 (eleven years ago) link
The building was the original Cedars hospital before it moved over to Beverly Hills. Here it is before ...
http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5124/5229794672_238637b08e.jpg
"Someone saw a cockroach up on 12..."
― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 6 February 2013 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
Looks like a fuckin asylum.
― Manti and the Catfish (Trayce), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 02:37 (eleven years ago) link
i like the actual cedars part
― that's real banjo bro (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 03:17 (eleven years ago) link
looks like the hospital from GTA:SA tbh
― SOYLENT GREEN IS SHEEPLE (stevie), Wednesday, 6 February 2013 07:51 (eleven years ago) link
I feel like I have so much to say to this thread but I'll just start here -- has there been a discussion of Old CAN/New CAN? I can't even think about CAN (the CAN I know) in conjunction with these CANs but yet I can't stop doing so.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 01:07 (eleven years ago) link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_Awareness_Network
I would still like to know how deep Florian Fricke was into this shit -- I'm hoping not too deep considering the immense German opposition to the C of S.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
I finished Going Clear and I thought the whole thing was fascinating and deeply troubling. Wright basically describes H, M1$cav1ge, and sundry S leaders committing uncountable crimes, including lots of wrongful imprisonment and kidnapping.
― my god i only have 2 useless beyblade (silby), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 01:47 (eleven years ago) link
has this been mentioned in this thread? probs, but vv relevant: http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Belief-Secret-Scientology-Harrowing/dp/0062248472/ref=la_B0094KVGVE_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1361843319&sr=1-1
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 26 February 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
More on that book ^^
http://www.france24.com/en/20130316-scientology-leaders-niece-reveals-church-secrets
― your fretless ways (Eazy), Monday, 18 March 2013 22:09 (eleven years ago) link
"Those who decide a religious order isn't for them are free to move on with their lives, as Ms. Hill did. "
lol she really had that option when she was six years old
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Monday, 18 March 2013 23:43 (eleven years ago) link
I'm curious why it's the children of Hubbard's elite who are subjected to this, rather than strivers climbing the ranks?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:01 (eleven years ago) link
you haven't read the book, milo: she had it no worse than anyone else at the ranch, probably a little better, if Going Clear is any indication
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:17 (eleven years ago) link
the gist is that there really is no going up the ranks -- most "highly observant" Scientologists just toil in Florida or the ranch in California
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:18 (eleven years ago) link
until they get the musical chairs treatmenti am still haunted by that -- i'll never listen to queen's greatest hits in quite the same way
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:19 (eleven years ago) link
tbf everyone in that room was already somewhat high ranked, right?
― ☠ ☃ ☠ (mh), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:20 (eleven years ago) link
I was going on the article's description - "Those interned there until 2000 were the children of the Sea Org, the elite of the Church founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard."
I guess the Sea Orgers are just in enough to sacrifice family members without reaching the point of living high off the rest of the cult?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:23 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know that anyone lives high except Miscavige
― ( ͡° ͜ʖ͡°) (sic), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 00:28 (eleven years ago) link
Probably true. Halfway through Going Clear myself.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 March 2013 01:49 (eleven years ago) link
I finished it a while ago -- seriously everyone should watch the Koppel/Miscavige Nightline interview. It's 55 min of squirming.
― and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 01:55 (eleven years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Monday, March 18, 2013 8:01 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
purge of the highest-ranking.
― zero dark (s1ocki), Tuesday, 19 March 2013 02:41 (eleven years ago) link
Arizona charter schools using Scientology-related materials, and a tad bemused by parents' reactions http://www.npr.org/2013/03/27/174441623/peter-o-dowd-tk
― dow, Wednesday, 27 March 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
Scientlology
http://www.vice.com/read/scientologists-make-terrible-stand-up-comedians
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 June 2013 02:52 (eleven years ago) link
Thought the bump would be about After Earth
― The End**^ (Eazy), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 03:43 (eleven years ago) link
i'm surprised more people don't become scientologists just so they can escape and either get a book deal or, at the very least, have fascinating stories to tell at parties.
― the strange and important sound of the synthesizer (Treeship), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 03:49 (eleven years ago) link
me tooxpost
― give life back to old guys (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 4 June 2013 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
http://tv.yahoo.com/news/remini-calls-police-scientology-chiefs-wife-200800838.html
King of Queens star Leah Remini has filed a missing person report concerning the whereabouts of the wife of Church of Scientology leader David Miscavige.
A source confirmed to ET on Thursday that Remini contacted police and the actress alleges that Shelly Miscavige has not been seen in public for more than six years. Remini recently announced that she was leaving the Church of Scientology after disagreeing with various teachings and policies of the faith.
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:44 (ten years ago) link
wo
― socki (s1ocki), Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:46 (ten years ago) link
she's probably at one of those slave compounds right
― Matt Armstrong, Thursday, 8 August 2013 22:51 (ten years ago) link
damn
u go leah
― R'LIAH (goole), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:29 (ten years ago) link
Nothing to see here, move along: http://gawker.com/tv-stars-missing-person-claim-against-scientology-rule-1076869636
Leah Remini, the King of Queens star who noisily and publicly left Scientology after three decades of membership over disagreements with church leader David Miscavige, filed a missing person report for his wife Shelly who supposedly hasn't been seen in public in six years. The LAPD has taken the report and "ruled as unfounded." The missing person case is closed.
― Here's the storify, of a lovely ladify (Phil D.), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:31 (ten years ago) link
Boo.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:37 (ten years ago) link
"It is a publicity stunt cooked up by a small band of unemployed fanatics who live on the fringe of the Internet."
― staind in the place where you live (crüt), Friday, 9 August 2013 15:43 (ten years ago) link
It's a Mail link, but here are some closer up pictures of that underground base in New Mexicohttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2395235/EXCLUSIVE-Pictured-close-time-Scientologys-secret-alien-space-cathedral-landing-pad-New-Mexico-desert-return-followers-Armageddon-Earth.html
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 16 August 2013 21:15 (ten years ago) link
The Wright book is awesome so far.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 16 August 2013 22:16 (ten years ago) link
Whoops!
http://gawker.com/scientology-flack-arrested-in-plot-to-kill-cop-1188941437
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 August 2013 17:33 (ten years ago) link
Interlocking circles with diamonds in them carved out by removing small scrub trees:
It is believed that they are a ‘return point’ so members of the church know where they can find the works of founder L. Ron Hubbard when they come back from space after a nuclear catastrophe wipes out the human race.
Won't the trees just grow back by then?
― cardamon, Saturday, 24 August 2013 22:04 (ten years ago) link