C/D: Dumping chemicals in your water supply so drunk people can enjoy looking at green water on St. Patrick's Day

like a true gael i drank so much yesterday that i can't face a drink today

Its early yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piMqJ8hmgXM

this fellow is not disabusing me of the stereotype of the angry irish man

guy's not irish for a start

getting tempted to have a beer now. you were right, earlier.

Jeff and I got drunk at Stout Fest 2013. No green beer in sight, but we're not Irish so it follows.

I'm not saying it's the best idea but "dumping chemicals in the river" is misframing it

Is it? I get how the word "chemicals" has certain baggage (esp given that everything is made of chemicals), but they *are* dumping barrels of dye that come from a chemical factory into the river. I don't really see how it's misleading, except that you're arguing that it's a harmless chemical. My argument is, even if it's claimed to be "harmless", do we really know this? And is this respectful way to treat an increasingly rare natural resource? Granted, there's a lot of bad shit happening to water supplies everywhere, and maybe this is low on the totem pole, but I don't think it's a good excuse to continue doing it.

all good points

where do you stand on fluoride

even if it's claimed to be "harmless", do we really know this

1. Is there a place other than Chicago that notably does this?
2. This "increasingly rare natural resource" is connected directly to the seventh largest freshwater lake in the world
3. "How do we know it's not harmful?!?"
brb with your evidence of absence

I mean, this is dumb, but trying to claim it could be harmful, don't know how, is pretty much applicable to any human action. Or any action by anything.

also dmac otm

what about all the air pollution from fireworks, Poliopolice? where do you stand on that?

how can we be sure that stuff isnt yknow

what doctors dont tell you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_River#Reversing_the_flow

if you thought fancy colors were bad, the river doesn't even flow the way nature intended

if only we could return to the days when a city could dump massive quantities of untreated sewage into their rivers

ya but at least it wasnt chemicals, ooooh did someone say chemicals dives into oxygen tent

2. This "increasingly rare natural resource" is connected directly to the seventh largest freshwater lake in the world

And? That does not make it a resource that we should be cavalier about. Water is a rare valuable resource. Look into it. There is a very serious freshwater crisis on the horizon, and it is not getting better, despite the fact that there is a large lake in Illinois.

3. "How do we know it's not harmful?!?" brb with your evidence of absence

Hm. Your logic escapes me. You're kind of saying that as long we don't have immediately evidence that something is bad, we should feel good about doing it. I can see how that could be a valid argument when you're making a calculated risk for a greater good, but when we're talking about dumping dye in a river, I think the better argument is that we should avoid frivolously doing shit that is capable of causing systemic damage, even in absence of evidence.

where do you stand on fluoride

This is a red herring. Fluoride is put into treated water, not dumped indiscriminately into an untreated water supply.

what about all the air pollution from fireworks, Poliopolice? where do you stand on that?

I'm against unnecessary pollution. I'm surprised that I have to defend this stance.

you are such a fucking idiot

omg even the herrings are gone a funny fuckin colour stop the lights

poliopolice = modestmickey??????

This is a red herring. Fluoride is put into treated water, not dumped indiscriminately into an untreated water supply.

Does treatment of sewage and wastewater remove fluoride? Are you saying that all fluoride put into treated, drinkable water is either metabolized by people or removed from wastewater?

What I meant by the fact it's a huge body of water is that there is the tiniest, tiniest fraction of green food coloring in the water. Which is, to our knowledge, completely nontoxic.

How about you read up about fertilizers spread inefficiently on frozen fields, pesticides, poor use of natural watersheds as filtering agents due to the draining of wetlands, and the wholesale sewage and toxic waste that gets into the watershed, and then tackle a stupid cosmetic trick that uses the tiniest amount of food coloring later?

Dumping one human corpse into the lake, which the mob probably has done a zillion times, would put more pollutants in the lake than a few gallons of food coloring

http://info.ngwa.org/GWOL/pdf/910156245.pdf

we should use radioactive isotopes to trace groundwater, people can't see them because they don't look all green, so no worries

c/d: dumping mango salsa in the river

haha, I just came back to post that

I have an Irish friend and he is a BRUNETTE!

dump chemicals in his hair

At least the Dave Matthews Band wasn't in town today.

http://www.olafureliasson.net/works/green_river.html

Don't ever change, Chi-town.

http://i.imgur.com/eul9qMC.jpg

CHICAGO, IL - MARCH 16: A man dressed as a leprechaun entertains the crowd on a water propelled Flyboard while workers dye the Chicago River green to kick off the city's St. Patrick's day celebration on March 16, 2013 in Chicago, Illinois. The dying of the river has been a tradition in the city for 43 years. (Photo by Scott Olson/Getty Images)

sigh.

a leprechaun entertains the crowd on a water propelled Flyboard
a leprechaun entertains the crowd on a water propelled Flyboard
a leprechaun entertains the crowd on a water propelled Flyboard
a leprechaun entertains the crowd on a water propelled Flyboard
a leprechaun entertains the crowd on a water propelled Flyboard

More like AWESOME.

I didn't even know we had flyboard technology. 2015 might not be a bust after all.

I want a water propelled flyboard for my birthday.

I don't know how anyone can look at that picture and not believe we've succeeded at.... something

Yes!!

I have now used that picture in an argument claiming that the bible is worthless as a source of guidance because it in no way tells humanity how to react to such a thing

Mark 6, 49-50
49 But when they saw him walking upon the sea, they supposed it had been a spirit, and cried out:
50 For they all saw him, and were troubled. And immediately he talked with them, and saith unto them, Be of good cheer: it is I; be not afraid.

Sorry, mh. You'll have to try again.

man, he's a preacher's kid, he should have called me out on this shit

That dusty springfield's full of shit

almost time to revisit this retarded annual ritual. Reading over this thread, I'm kind of floored at how many people are defending needlessly dumping dye into our precious water supply because "it's not the worst thing we could be doing" and how apparently it's ok because there's pollution occurring elsewhere in the world. Holy shit, no wonder this world is fucked.

I'm great itt

you had a year to find some harm for yr argument how did you get on

No one is asking you to swim in the fluorescein. On shore you should be safe from nausea, vomiting, hives, acute hypotension, anaphylaxis and related anaphylactoid reaction, cardiac arrest and sudden death due to anaphylactic shock.

c/d: dumping mango salsa in the river

― veryupsetmom (harbl), Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:38 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I St Patrick, a sinner, very badly educated, declare myself to be a bishop in Eire--- I live among barbarian tribes as an exile and refugee. For the love of god get me out of this fucking barren shithole

^^redacted part of his diary^^

The party's over. We went to a bar to escape (IRONIC) and when I was walking home there were people playing god dang BAGPIPES out in the street.

Also as Jeff was carrying the kid into our apartment one of the drunks on the steps told him "That's no place to take a baby!" Which in hindsight is kind of hilarious, not that I want to give these cretins any credit.

In short: fuck St. Patrick's Day (observed, Chicago).

One good thing about St. Patrick's Day: excellent opportunities for street photography

We don't even have Shamrock Shakes down here.

It is kinda nice, tbh.

Shamrock Shakes..? Is that some kind of euphemism for delirium tremens or what?

Hey, darraghmac, anyone wearing orange in of your parades today?

http://i.imgur.com/QYMN5Jx.jpg

our parade is on paddy's day but I'd say so alright. its one of the colours.

Made me think of these guys:

http://i.imgur.com/4OF3QmJl.jpg

the green, orange, and white of the flag is meant to symbolise peace between the Catholic and Protestant sides

There are people in the U.S. who will get angry if someone wears orange to a St. Patrick's Day celebration (or on St. Patrick's Day). Is that an example of Americans shooting for authenticity and missing?

I think so. I'm not gonna say definitively.

if they'd a sash, a bowler hat or a lambeg drum OTOH they've got it coming to em.

I just misunderstood. I did a book report on troubles 25 years ago, and all I remember is that any good Irish Catholic should hate marmalade.

St Patrick's Day is on the 17th march

God Americans suck at being Irish but they won't stop trying

― prole, you'll be a yeoman soon (wins), Saturday, March 14, 2015 12:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I have heard tell of other countries copying the Americanized celebration of St. Patrick's Day, complete with liquor and beer-branded merchandise and wearing novelty sparkly green top hats. Eventually it will be the canonical version. I mean, the population of Chicago is half the population of Ireland, and it's hardly the only city with stupid merchandising.

This whole line of thought is giving me a flashback to a UK-themed bar I went to last year. It was actually more like someone had gone to a UK-themed pub in the US, and then made an "American UK-themed pub"-themed bar.

I think so. I'm not gonna say definitively.

if they'd a sash, a bowler hat or a lambeg drum OTOH they've got it coming to em.

iirc I grew up a lot further south of the border than you, and people wearing orange on Paddy's day would definitely be seen to be trying to be ~smart.

online I've only read Americans saying "OH I'M GOING TO WEAR ORANGE LOL", knowing what the symbolism is, so I'm inclined to think "twats", generally.

ppl in the pic above don't seem to be of that ilk, like they've just thrown it in as part of the complete tricolour :D

xp @ mh

God save the queeen

http://i.imgur.com/LXTDJVB.jpg

I went to a "British pub" in San Diego that I count among the worst drinking experiences I've ever had

I almost don't blame the places - there's a local chain of 'pubs' (sports bars where you can watch soccer) called The Londoner that everyone talks about as being Irish... despite being named The Londoner.

ya gyac you'd rly need to judge it case by case I'd say

donegal town had a large COI community, well integrated AFAIK, but even so I dont remember from my time there whether it was a big colour in the parade

but its on a few of the bands on the island definitely. possibly too far removed to have a sting associated there, idk. worth a read up perhaps

http://www.achilltourism.com/images/bands-dooagh.jpg

present and correct admittedly its the skirt but what dyou want like

Crucial snapshot of yesterday: http://www.cwbchicago.com/2015/03/yuck-of-irish-wrigleyville-binge-spawns.html

(Start with the timeline.)

Wrigleyville has been a complete shitshow when I was there early in the night on a random weekend, I can only imagine the hell on earth that descends on St. Patrick's Day

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didn't go north of 14th Street in NYC, but i don't get the green Mardi Gras beads shit; poor repurposing.

Did see a guy in a green t shirt pissing next to a real-estate office basement in the West Village, so the holiday was official.