― Je4nne ƒury (Jeanne Fury), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
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hstencil and amateurist in total agreement shocka!
i was putting "market logic" in light-ironic quotation marks btw :-)
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link
But geez, Stencil, I don't think you quite need to damn all reference to markets in order to avoid being a Republican; it's not as if we're locked in some epic deathstruggle between mega-cutthroat capitalism and socialism. I mean, as a point of principle: if you're trying to judge whether a person's salary seems appropriate, it seems pretty necessary and non-political to me to look at whether there's any concrete arrangement of supply and demand that justifies it. After all, the whole problem with CEO salaries is that in the end you can't justify them by examining the CEO's "value" in any kind of job/talent marketplace.
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:38 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:41 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:49 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:54 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gold Teeth II (kenan), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 17:59 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:01 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:03 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, you know, quality of director's suit = prestige of institution, right?
-- nabisco, October 5th, 2004.That's the logic that made America.
-- nabisco, October 5th, 2004.
I never even questioned that the MoMA director should make $570K, I explicitly stated:
"Museum director and college president salaries are not the problem. CEO salaries are. I actually think that salary for MoMA director isn't unrealistic for what MoMA is and wants to be, but still."
So don't tell me I'm being dogmatic, okay? Especially when you're not even bothering to read what I write.
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:07 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:11 (nineteen years ago) link
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:13 (nineteen years ago) link
this is exactly how I feel!
I don't think you're understanding what my point has been, which was, afterall, about the larger American culture shift towards illogical, possibly rigged-but-declared-free markets over the past 30 years, which has been EXPLICIT Republican policy (and co-opted on occassion by Democrats as well) -- and how the privatization of arts subsidies, CEO salaries, industry de-regulation, etc. (NOT museum director salaries) fit into that. Hell, the only reason that dude's salary was in there was because I didn't edit it out of the Post editorial I was quoting from!
And if you're really going to claim an "us" (who got called Republicans) vs. me, then I dunno anymore. If you truly don't believe "free market" Republican rhetoric (as I don't), then why get offended?
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
Back to the issue: I don't have $20, and therefore won't be going to MoMA.
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:27 (nineteen years ago) link
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:31 (nineteen years ago) link
let's drop this republican red herring back in the water shall we?
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
BTW, it appears that they are keeping the policy of free admission on Friday evenings from 4-8pm.
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 18:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:00 (nineteen years ago) link
Yeah, I've been in years past 4 or 5 times. One of those times it was almost unbearably crowded. The other times it was like a weekend's volume, not too crowded that I didn't enjoy myself.
― mcd (mcd), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:03 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:05 (nineteen years ago) link
― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:12 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― Loose Translation: Sexy Dancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:37 (nineteen years ago) link
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:39 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― Nermina (Nermina), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:43 (nineteen years ago) link
― amateur!!!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 20:48 (nineteen years ago) link
― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link
― Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― kephm, Wednesday, 6 October 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link
But anyone that goes to Moma at any other time then Friday evenings...i.e. PAY WHAT YOU WISH. deserves to get gauged.
― DEEBZ (ddb), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:14 (nineteen years ago) link
― phil-two (phil-two), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:15 (nineteen years ago) link
― why do old people and old users of ILX such bastardos (deangulberry), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:16 (nineteen years ago) link
― Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 20:19 (nineteen years ago) link
a curator who subverts the message of a major artist's retrospective in the closing party by pointing out that she couldn't see anybody anyway and then avowing his love is big lolz
― Maybe in 100 years someone will say damn Dawn was dope. (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:41 (nine years ago) link
anything that takes that con job down a peg is to be cheered
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
this is the best
― nose, Wednesday, 25 March 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
How, for example, does one begin to explain the institutional relevance of the band Kraftwerk's eight-gig show “Retrospective 12345678" staged inside the museum's atrium in 2012? How, one might ask, do you account for the 2013 spectacle of actress Tilda Swinton sleeping inside a glass box at MoMA—
Presumably the same criticism would apply to the Tate Modern who also ran Retrospective 12345678 to near unanimous five star reviews and the Serpentine Gallery who originally did the Swinton piece.
― Rainbow DAESH (ShariVari), Wednesday, 25 March 2015 23:47 (nine years ago) link
yeah the linked article goes into that
― Number None, Thursday, 26 March 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link
@NickPinkertonAnyone got any good tips on tonight's mentally-ill hobo fights at MoMA?
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 May 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link
apparently that was real (far from unheard of at the theaters there), and might've happened at a Straub-Huillet film.
https://twitter.com/NickPinkerton/status/729063029615284226
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 May 2016 13:45 (eight years ago) link
Lol, tradition
― i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 11 May 2016 12:42 (eight years ago) link