This Just In: Rolling UK News Thread

i'm not inclined to attribute a ton of rationality to the aggressors in a case like this but i think there has to be some difference between "if i do this my action will be broadcast to the world" and "if i do this my message will be broadcast - unmediated - to the world"

All wise thoughts tbf, i wasnt setting out a detailed manifesto or anything.

Ok caek yr not touchy. Sheesh.

yeah well like a good liberal i don't have any clear answers meself.
i'm interested in the numerous ways we might make ourselves complicit in violence.

Ya, we dont.

i think trying to limit access to video/information because you're afraid of inciting violence / upsetting ppl is a dangerous road to go down

i do know england has more repressive free speech laws than we do in the united states tho, so there's probably a cultural difference here

lol

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the NYT refuses to print swear words in direct quotes.

i don't think this is a freedom of speech issue.

"i'm not saying pretend it didn't happen, but when you're doing exactly what terrorists want you to do, you want to be sure it's worth something."

you want to censor information bc it's want the terrorists want, no?

like who gives a shit what they want or don't want. it's newsworthy, it should be available. not saying it should be on network news but it's totally fair game for an ilx thread.

i think you're confusing editorial choices with censorship

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01732/Buy_tomorrow_s_Sun_1732938a.jpg

whose editorial choice? youtubes?

ITN, BBC, Sky News

lmao The Sun

Srsly mordy tone it down, nobody here is a tube

it should be available

to be clear, i absolutely agree with this. if you want to watch this then knock yourself out. if you want to discuss it then good luck to you.

Insight in terms of trying to place the guys accent

errrr...?

looks like i've got a few Facebook peeps to unfriend

or just, like, go to bed maybe

errrr...?

Yes, he's a Londoner and English is almost definitely his first language but African 2nd gen immigrants tend to retain elements of their parents accents and being one myself I'm pretty sensitive to the differences in intonation aaaand I'm doing exactly what I said I wouldn't.

Is The Guardian worse than it used to be?

https://twitter.com/suttonnick/status/337316839635972096/photo/1

Occasionally I make myself stop buying The Guardian, I think that cover is worth of another hiatus.

Maybe...

The world is just getting worse

Nah, world's always been this way, iirc

guardia such a rag, they'd say anything to sell or get a few right index fingers moving.

caek otm about rolling news too, it's a form of entertainment.

Local guardia

i don't see how this is just vapid entertainment. this was an extremely violent, public political act against a soldier of the uk. how is this not super news-worthy?

otm

An event being newsworthy does not imply that rolling news coverage of the event is valuable.

It's as much an inevitability of technology and commercial news structures as it is a worthwhile thing we want/need.

is the entire uk population this incurious or is this just an ilx phenomenon?

It's like, I understand the backlash, the cynicism, for we all know that: 1) yes, the world works this way, that networks and newspapers want to sell, get clicks or rake in theh ads, and 2) "entertainment" will do that nicely.

But I cannot see this as "entertainment", however. I am a disgustingly cynical person, but calling out telly stations for being cynical because they show footage and report on this story, or call out newspapers reporting this, when all they do is portray the shock many people feel at this moment (yes, people are affected by this slaying emotionally), is of an even deeper cynisism.

xp to Mordy, it must be ilx. Or at least, one would hope...

Yeah that's probably my problem. A lack of curiosity.

I've always said, rolling news is too much information for someone as incurious as myself. Thank god we don't have the first amendment!

I didn't mean to imply that you should have some particularly prurient fascination but that this is of legitimate interest and is a notable event and I think in the United States people are very drawn to examining/understanding these events.

I wish you would stop using the word "rolling" though. News never stops "rolling". There is never a clear cut moment when the event has 'ended', or 'stopped', or declared ended so it can finally be discussed, for the news ceased to be news...

xp

Though I guess I did see some people say, for instance during the Sandy Hook shooting, that we shouldn't reward murderers with the attention that they craved. I don't know. That just seems silly to me.

I think, and I don't mean any disrespect to you Caek for I <3 you, but if "rolling", developping news isn't ypur thing, seeing you call yourself "incurious", then maybe developping news cycles/thread like these might not be for you?

I got a prurient fascination, i'd say most ppl do, what's wrong with that? It's one level of interest. Add a dash of mystery (what's going on here?), topical political/social interest, the fact that this pretty much unfolded in front of and for media/public consumption, i don't know what ~isnt~ fascinating about this. It's p much why rolling news exists, realtime drama of wide interest. If this thread is to be a discussion of the wheres and whyfores of rolling news, then the case against is far better made on a day where its a fuckin loop of idk pippas arse.

Mordy:

1. I'm demonstrably in a minority. TV news and papers don't do this kind of coverage because it hurts their profits.

2. Maybe theres some truth the idea that the equivalent liberal elite in Britain is less comfortable with prurience/vulgarity in current affairs than the US, ok, but you're kidding yourself if you think the US media is in most ways more robust and more curious than the British, or that the quality of middlebrow current affairs is worse in the UK (eg CNN vs BBC). You can make a case that the analysis in something like the nyt is deeper and more sophisticated than say the guardian, or that the deep throat expensive investigative stuff is stronger in the US, but the day to day reporting, ie just the stuff I'm complaining about here, is not lacking in the UK in amount or in popularity. Again, if you think this is due to some fundamentally docile decadent europeanness, i would point out that US newspapers won't print swear words in direct quotes.

I mean tbrr i want to discuss this particular attack with ilx- deliberate targeting of a soldier, no interest in general public except as witness, p obv intent on public suicide by cop afterwards. Is this new, what are the ramifications, is it to be preferred to eg suicide bomb attacks, should one even ask if things like this are 'to be preferred' vs each other, why not, etc

Instead its ppl grousing that the new news is rubbish and shows too much news to boot

I was calling myself incurious sarcastically LBI.

deems otfm

Caek is the meaner of the piranha bros iirc

Go ahead and discuss it. I derailed and then apologised and mordy asked for our takes but no one had any takes so I kept going. Over to you.

Heh ok, consider that shit above asked

putting aside its veracity, this guy definitely believed that islam is at war with the west - or at least with the uk