No way is Notorious 5 times better than Casablanca.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 17 November 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
no one's saying it is.
There is certainly surface sap in Bells, but McCarey (he wrote the story as a tribute to his aunt, a nun who died of typhoid) keeps finding ways to inject real emotion into the formula.... while not showing any nuns like the one who disfigured my uncle's hand with a ruler (he didn't write an "8" the right way).
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 November 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
You're saying it is only maybe three times as good?
― Picture Books of the Pyramid Meets the Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2013 17:34 (ten years ago) link
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business
Yeah. It's six times better.
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
we'll never have Paris
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 November 2013 18:06 (ten years ago) link
I prefer Casablanca.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Sunday, 17 November 2013 18:09 (ten years ago) link
You were misinformed
― Picture Books of the Pyramid Meets the Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
This debate comes up frequently, I find. For me, there's enough room in my heart for both Casablanca and Notorious.
― a fifth of misty beethoven (cryptosicko), Sunday, 17 November 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
You know what this is making me think of? The Peter Lorre character in the Firesign Theatre's "Nick Danger, Third Eye" whose is name Rocky Rococo.
― Picture Books of the Pyramid Meets the Eye (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 17 November 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
Casasblanca is OK and all, but not really my thing.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Sunday, 17 November 2013 21:07 (ten years ago) link
A milkshake?
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 November 2013 21:22 (ten years ago) link
Slow curtain. The end.
― midnight outdoor nude frolic up north goes south (Eric H.), Sunday, 17 November 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
if Rick's lines had more Addison DeWitt zing to them, Eric would be on board.
acc to Isabella, I.B. didn't understand the elevation of Casablanca to deathless classic either. "They always want to talk about the one with Bogart!"
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 03:05 (ten years ago) link
She's dazed and soft in Casablanca (I know, I know -- script being written on set, etc).
― the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 November 2013 03:07 (ten years ago) link
yes, she's all icon and very shaky character in it, sure.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 03:28 (ten years ago) link
dissing 'casablanca' is such a bloody auteurist thing to do.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 18 November 2013 18:08 (ten years ago) link
Oh, Michael Curtiz >>>>>>>>>> Brian De Palma, Michael Mann and that lot
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
centennial of her birth on 8/29
need a re-poll including both versions of Intermezzo (or two polls: pre-Roberto, and the rest)
Sept NY retro:
http://www.bam.org/film/2015/ingrid-bergman
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 August 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
oh Isabella is doing a "theatrical tribute" to mom. With Jeremy Irons.
http://www.bam.org/theater/2015/the-ingrid-bergman-tribute
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 August 2015 03:34 (eight years ago) link
interviewing her daughters, amid centennial tributes
“She was so original and independent, but in a gentle, natural way,” says Ingrid. “She would always say, ‘People have to make sense.’ She would immediately detect if a person she was talking to was in any way artificial, and she didn’t like that. She was honest and authentic. And so people watch her on the screen and they are touched by her, because she doesn’t seem aware of her beauty.”
“My mother was not theatrical in her home life,” Lindstrom says. “She was strong-willed, which is maybe partly theatrical. I found her fun, she was fun to be around, and playful, and demanding. Maybe that was the Scandinavian in her. There were rules that she followed, and you needed to follow them if you were with her. For instance, I would always let her walk ahead of me through a door. You know, you wouldn’t cry or yell, ‘I want some ice cream!’ with her, you just wouldn’t do that. That was not her role in life, maternity. That was not her forte.”
But Isabella has a different perspective, perhaps because she saw her mother through the eyes of her father Roberto. “Father always said she was so loud that she didn’t need a telephone!” says Isabella. “And yes, she was like that at home. It wasn’t so much that she spoke loudly, but her voice had a certain pitch, so that she could be heard in the back of the theater, and yes, she was like that at home, too.”
http://www.rogerebert.com/interviews/you-must-remember-this
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 August 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
That new documentary Ingrid Bergman: In Her Own Words is quite good, though it doesn't really tell the story from her perspective. At all. It's a weird title, but all biodocs have to seem so personal these days. It's much better and more interesting for contrasting her stories with those of her children.
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 August 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
I read an Isabella interview in the late eighties in which she called Ingrid an uninvolved and bored mom.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link
At times she basically abandoned them, while she went somewhere else to live and work. She was very very busy with her career, and worked all over the world. But I mean, she wasn't worse than any number of male artists or CEO's or whatever. Roberto Rossellini abandoned them as well. The main story in the treatment of her personal life is the insanely misogynistic attacks on her in the fifties, for me.
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:19 (eight years ago) link
It took the reissues of those Rossellini movies for me to appreciate the risk, which is easy, but that even when they're uneven and don't register their points they're still pretty good.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 August 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
This documentary really made me appreciate just how revolutionary that partnership was. The way she is almost more a presence than an actress, a vessel to take in all these powerful sights, volcanoes or processions. It's completely central to film history. Like Antonioni and Monica Vitti, Tsai Ming-liang and Lee Kang-sheng or Petzold and Nina Hoss. Except much more so. She is one of the most important presences in film (and has been treated like such in French film history, ie. there's a bunch of clips of her in Godard's collages, etc).
Also, like, she made Casablanca as well as films with Hitchcock, Rossellini, Renoir and Bergman. How many actors has that resumé? I've really underestimated her, I think.
Sorry, might be slightly hyperbolic, sketching out my review at the moment.
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 August 2015 16:32 (eight years ago) link
100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpVZRfqHnQY
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 August 2015 18:40 (eight years ago) link
roundup
https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/daily-ingrid-bergman-100
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 August 2015 19:11 (eight years ago) link
so good as ivy in the 1941 dr jekyll & mr hyde such a complex performance, the heart of the film, by far best thing in it
― drash, Saturday, 29 August 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
Which retro to go to?
― Bon Iver Meets G.I. Joe (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 7 September 2015 23:04 (eight years ago) link
MoMA's ends Thursday.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 September 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link
The documentary Frederik posted about opens here in a few weeks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEh5Nh4a9WE
― clemenza, Saturday, 5 December 2015 21:10 (eight years ago) link
A couple of interviews in the documentary I liked: Sigourney Weaver talking about working with Bergman on the stage, when she was just starting out, and how Bergman helped her (just in the way she carried herself) come to terms with her height; and Liv Ullmann's Autumn Sonata story, which didn't turn out how I thought it would. The highlight, though, was Bergman's screen test for Selznick. (It's on YouTube, but the poster added music and gums it up in other ways.) For the whole 45 seconds or so, the theatre I was in (about 80% full) was absolutely silent, and I had this weird feeling that I was sitting in a movie house 70 years ago. A couple of times Bergman flashes a toothy grin, but mostly she's in repose and looking away. In the last few seconds, she looks directly into the camera, so therefore directly at you. It's really something to see. (Extra timely for me, as I'll be seeing a program of Warhol's Screen Tests in a couple of weeks.)
― clemenza, Sunday, 10 January 2016 00:23 (eight years ago) link
Cactus Flower is one of those DOA swinging comedies of the late '60s, usually French-based, with middle-aged stars (plus Oscar-winning saucer-eyed ingenue Hawn) and talent sweating to seem "with it." Ingrid Bergman is certainly game, and has a breakthrough moment erotically smothering herself in a black mink. (A stage hit for Billy Wilder's frequent coscribe Izzy Diamond... BW sorely missed, esp the touch of vulgar class supplied later in Avanti!.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:41 (four years ago) link
She can handle badinage, of course, but she can't do comedy, light or otherwise.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:42 (four years ago) link
I thought she had a couple good snippy scenes w/ Jack Weston in the Bourgeois '60s Disco (altho he gets off most of the shots, like "you look like a giant Band-Aid in the office"}. But yeah it's pretty grievous. She's funny in Orient Express if you choose to view it that way.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
She's game in the otherwise (very) minor Elena and Her Men, but the mugging in MOTOE is hard to take.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:50 (four years ago) link
In the filming of Autumn Sonata, Ingmar Bergman said Ingrid kept trying to insert jokes in her dialogue, to which Ingmar said NO JOKES. A wise man.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:51 (four years ago) link
but she can't do comedy, light or otherwise.
― Trouble Is My Métier (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link
a lot of ppl find Ingmar at his straightest funny already
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link
anyway the thing about Cactus Flower et al is they were about the squares, who bought the tickets.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 May 2020 14:58 (four years ago) link
I love Goldie Hawn, but she seemed to make nothing but bad films up till Sugarland Express. (Never seen Cactus Flower for some reason, but There's a Girl in My Soup and Butterflies are Free are pretty dismal, from what I remember.)
― clemenza, Friday, 29 May 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
Checked the Goldie Hawn thread I started, and I say there I have seen Cactus Flower. Don't remember so much as an image.
― clemenza, Friday, 29 May 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
I don’t think I ever saw that or Butterflies Are Free, just vaguely remember the posters/ads.
― Ernani and the Professor (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 29 May 2020 16:19 (four years ago) link