滚着滚着 rolling china + sinosphere 2013

http://scmp.com/news/china/article/1365125/china-objects-us-over-irresponsible-remarks-sea-defence-zone

According to this article Japanese commercial flights have been flying through the 'zone' for days now not following China's directions

It's all a bunch of bullfrogs puffing their throats at each other

Query whether China wants to get South Korea mad also as they appear to have done

It's probably demonstrable that South Koreans hate Japan even more intensely than Chinese do. And query how many people in China actually virulently hate Japan and how many simply don't give a shit

It'll all be fine

how much of this would be de-escalated if japanese govt issued thorough acknowledgements and apologies for nanking & other atrocities

It's an anger that's been long simmering. You'd have your doubters of course

Over time it'd probably do good but I doubt how immediate the effects would be

China's been fomenting the hate on their side as well - would also require the CCP to tone down its efforts to stoke up nationalistic fervor against Japan

Query how likely that is

Query whether China wants to get South Korea mad also as they appear to have done

Query how likely that is

^^what law school does to u

You've found me out

I have nowhere to hide

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/27/us-newyorktimes-thompson-idUSBRE9AQ00720131127

NYT may end cn.nytimes.com

A pity

ugh i hate mark thompson's glib fuckboy apparatchik face

lol at america, collectively, for providing him refuge and lucrative employment

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1367110/hostile-aircraft-could-be-shot-down-air-defence-zone-pla-general

This gives China a 'way out' - they'll just claim any aircraft they don't challenge was not acting 'hostile'

But it's generally a boneheaded move by China in general, esp w/r/t antagonizing South Korea

Reading that ADIZ's are not governed by any sort of international standards and are unilaterally set by countries

Japan's was sketched in 1969

Willing to bet that at least part of the reason China is doing this is because they're playing a game of Mr. Me Too

Terrible timing though, or at the very least befuddling - really can't think of any strategic advantage that China gains at this point, other than being able to point at it 10, 15 years down the line and saying that it's become legitimate through time

Last post on the subject I promise but this is being an intersection of Fallows' two most favorite topics, flying and China, I defer to his authority

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/11/how-to-think-about-the-chinese-air-defense-news/281871/

And Fallows big ups this dude here

http://www.andrewerickson.com/2013/11/whats-wrong-with-chinas-air-defence-identification-zone-and-whats-not/

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2013/11/25/watch-this-space-chinas-new-air-defense-zone/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/29/world/asia/japan-south-korea-fly-military-planes-in-zone-set-by-china.html?hp&_r=0

Can anyone recommend good books dealing with China's economic transition from the death of Mao roughly to the present?

http://i.imgur.com/WLTyrAj.jpg

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1378201/anti-firewall-tool-lantern-infiltrated-chinese-censors

I had been counting on using Lantern when I go to SH :\

freegate, bankrolled by falun gong and their new tang dynasty media empire,,, is still free and and still works. cheap shortterm alternative to a vpn.

http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2013/dec/10/china-five-pounds-facts/

http://www.scmp.com/news/china-insider/article/1378897/chinese-shop-owners-argentina-arm-themselves-guns-amid-violent

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/a-chinese-coal-baron-tumbles-into-debt/

I remember this wedding. Now the guy's company is bankrupt

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/max-baucus-ambassador-china-101300.html

Lol who the hell is Max Baucus

Happy birthday old Mao

Hey Dayo where is your chinese food thread and where should we go tonight for Christmas chinese food in Flushing (or did you tell me you don't really know Flushing spots too well?)

Fu run and get the Islamic lambchop + cumin lamb + pinecone fish

Probably the jew\chinese thread would be best for today haha

The food thread is called mott street and it's on 7 7

Might be translated as squirrel fish idk

It's a sweet and sour dish

Fu run and get the Islamic lambchop + cumin lamb + pinecone fish

― 乒乓, Wednesday, December 25, 2013 3:57 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha, I didn't see this but that's exactly where I went, and we did order the islamic lambchop but not the other two things. We will definitely be going back. We also had some pork/leek DUMPLINGS!, a cucumber seaweed egg drop soup, and a watercress with shrimp paste. Everything was really good. The watercress was kind of the least good because it was so heavily flavored you couldn't really taste the watercress, which already has a lot of flavor normally.

It seems like the thing everyone orders there now are these giant bone-in meat hunks (maybe pork ribs?) that you eat with a plastic glove.

sorry, that "DUMPLINGS!" was not supposed to be all caps with an exclamation point

https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1488037_10153634945635304_574877020_n.jpg

Looks good my man. I keep on trying to get people to go to Flushing but nobody bites

Well it's just on the other side of the park from us. I like it there a lot.

There was like one other white people table and I got to feel all superior because they ordered bullshit like chicken fried rice and sesame chicken.

http://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/12/how-andy-warhol-explains-chinas-attitudes-toward-chairman-mao/282665/

*massive yawn*

http://black-in-asia.com/post/71398835866/its-fascinating-looking-at-representations-of

http://chineseposters.net/themes/african-friends.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-renews-western-journalists-visas-after-months-long-standoff/2014/01/09/fde67b9c-792c-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html

Ramzy out. Jesus christ

http://shanghaiist.com/2014/01/10/taipei-vs-beijing-a-travelers-perspective.php

Hey Caroline Hasselle, fuck you

don't agree with some of those points but jeez it doesn't merit a "fuck you"

No it's bullshit "which of these countries makes me feel more like an entitled white tourist" flab

why does it matter if some white people want to vacation places with clean air and where all the websites they use aren't blocked? not everyone has to be about that ~realness~

Well they should go to Cancun then

3. Religion is an integral component of life in Taiwan.
Christianity has an obvious presence — my granddaughter goes to a Christian school. Buddhist temples in China are largely filled with tourists. It was the crowds of real worshipers in the temples of Taiwan that struck me. The temples I saw in mainland China were more like sterile artifacts. In Taiwan I could observe the religion in action and began to gain a greater understanding of it. It is a shame that such a rich part of the Asian culture has been wiped away in modern China.

...

10. I saw more ancient Chinese artifacts in Taiwan than in the Chinese mainland.
The Forbidden City and Summer Place were somehow disappointing - nothing but buildings — beautiful, but merely shells. All the good stuff appears to be in the National Palace Museum in Taipei. Apparently this was because the KMT took it all, after China’s Communist Party (CCP) took over. Perhaps it was a good thing, considering the destruction of the many relics that occurred during the Cultural Revolution. It is a well worth a trip to see. You get a much stronger sense of the culture and history from seeing these relics.

You can convey these thoughts without saying bullshit like "It is a shame that such a rich part of the Asian culture has been wiped away in modern China" or "Perhaps it was a good thing [that the KMT took so many relics]"

"I just want to see Chinese people acting and performing in ways that conform to what I think Chinese people should be like"

i mean i would factually debate the claim that there's "more of the good stuff" in taiwan than in mainland at this point in history, but i wouldn't dispute that a lot of stuff was destroyed in the Cultural Revolution and that that sucks. i also don't think that wanting to see certain artifacts in a museum is some kind of indefensible racialist objectification: museums are venues where cultures are performed.

as far as whatever sense of sacrament is lost in mainland temples i think westerners are far more to blame for that (kfc in a hutong right next to yonghegong), which obv is only right to point out. again i'm not sure what she factually means by people being "more genuinely religious" in taiwan, but yeah i mean whatever response i can imagine wouldn't be defensible. so that part is fucked up, i agree

Like museums elsewhere the museums in China have waaaaaaaaay more stuff than they can actually display at one time. What she means is simply that Taiwan has better copied Western modes of presenting historical artifacts, it's not about actual numbers of artifacts at all. She's being very lazy

Anyway all the "good stuff" isn't in Taiwan it's overseas, transported out on imperialist Western galleys floating on the blood of their Chinese victims http://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/168296.html

i also don't think that wanting to see certain artifacts in a museum is some kind of indefensible racialist objectification: museums are venues where cultures are performed.

Yeah but the performance of culture, of historiography is also culturally mediated & a part of culture itself. Like I used to be among the people who would cover their mouths and gasp when I heard about hutongs being destroyed or temples being given fresh coats of paint. But really the notion of "preservation" as some kind of act where you only do what's minimally necessary to keep an artifact as it was back when it was created - that's bullshit. Like art museums in the West don't powerwash their paintings. If the Chinese want to keep everything looking fresh then I see no reason not to. Just as there can be a cultural preference for oldness there can be one for newness.

Now if you'll excuse me I'm off to attend the annual re-embalming of Mao. He's gonna look fresh as h*ck

2014 thread?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/16/world/asia/chinese-activists-test-new-leader-and-are-crushed.html

according to wiki - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_used_on_the_Internet - 25% of internet users are chinese but only 3.3% of the web is in chinese & only 10 million mainland chinese ppl are fluent in english.

so my question is: what are ppl in china up to online?

i dunno, same as everyone else? streaming video, weibo, wechat, games, porn.

maybe the big difference is that most are connecting to the internet via mobile device

http://www.danwei.com/a-brief-guide-to-chinas-media-landscape-may-2014/

that metric seems to count only the number of top level domain websites, so maybe it's that internet usage in China is more centralized on a few sprawling sites (comports decently with my impression). also could be that china has 25% of the world's internet users but that many of them actually use the internet quite infrequently (this certainly couldn't be said about the younger generation, but i think there probably are a lot of very casual adults/elders who still get counted as 'users').

also: Rolling Chinese Dream 2014