saw it in high school when it opened.
first scene is great. some of the rest ain't bad. might strike you as classic if you haven't seen Fellini.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:32 (ten years ago) link
ive seen fellini
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
yeah i'm an 8 1/2 defender (one of the few left) and this is easily the best film of that kind
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:39 (ten years ago) link
is fellini just totally out of fashion now
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
i should probably see two weeks in another town again though
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:41 (ten years ago) link
The Great Beauty suggests Freddie still has traction.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
I like the idea that when you die you glide down a shiny black and silver hallway filled with fluorescent lights and electric fans to the embrace of a young Jessica Lange― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, October 3, 2003 12:03 AM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:43 (ten years ago) link
its true
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
phenomenal movie. i keep wondering when other millenials will discover and embrace it.
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, this movie blows 8 1/2 out of the water.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:50 (ten years ago) link
one of the best movies ever about death
― the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
xp Fellini was OK c. Nights of Cabiria, tho.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
xp one of the best my favorite movies ever about death
i wonder if kanye likes it
― lag∞n, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:29 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like yeah i can totally see drake eating this shit up
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
Same cinematographer as 8-1/2, Giuseppe Rotunno.
Surgery footage is self-indulgent crap.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:54 (ten years ago) link
But it's got a good beat and you can dance to it.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
self-indulgent?
― the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
Yeah. It'd make more sense if the film was trying to be transgressive throughout, but all the stuff with, say, the ex-wife and the daughter is standard pain-of-showbiz tapioca.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
youre standard pain-of-showbiz tapioca
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
And that's material the Fellini film doesn't have?
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
i am totally not surprised that morbs prefers the forced transgression and fascination with the grotesque of fellini to the living intensity of fosse tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
I like a half dozen Fellini films but 8 1/2 drives me crazy for the same reasons Morbs sayd: the tapioca of relationships. I can't get past the weirdness of the idea: a director doesn't get "blocked" the way a novelist does.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:12 (ten years ago) link
a director "blocks" shots, a writer gets "blocked", haha writers u suk
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:14 (ten years ago) link
a director doesn't get "blocked" the way a novelist does.
Serious question: How would you know?
Fosse clearly modeled much if not all of his filmography on Fellini, and not just cuz his first film was a musical remake of Nights of Cabiria. Pauline Kael really hated his post-Cabaret stuff.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
most pains of life are pretty standard tapioca
i need to see this, i've loved all the fosse i've seen (cabaret and lenny iirc)
― goole, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:18 (ten years ago) link
also the interpersonal relations in Fellini are far more unconventional than Fosse's regurgitation of suffering, philandering, heartbroken troupers.
― eclectic husbandry (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
xps True. Kael also hated a bunch of Fellini.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:19 (ten years ago) link
art = beyond tapioca
zzzzz
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
Man with power thinks all women want to sleep with him. How unconventional.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
this is very tangential but i have never understood "self indulgent" as a criticism of art.
― the late great, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:20 (ten years ago) link
feel like you guys shd be a lil more thorough w yr critical scoresheets maybe make a google doc or something
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
I've never liked tapioca.
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:21 (ten years ago) link
tapioca is dope as hell f the h8rs
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
http://www.simplyrecipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/tapioca-pudding-b.jpg
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
so good
I wasn't like this when I made All About Steve
― Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:23 (ten years ago) link
tapioca always reminds me of orbitz
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:24 (ten years ago) link
I miss Orbitz.
― Alfre, Lord Woodard (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
seems like a director also has a writing process like storyboarding or w/e that could get blocked but once youre filming you kinda just have to do it, which is prob the secret to overcoming writers block too
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:25 (ten years ago) link
'get r done' as fellini used to say
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:28 (ten years ago) link
Love this. Possibly my fave fosse.
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/pOhhqkm.jpg
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:29 (ten years ago) link
fergie was in that?
― balls, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NTA5MTIwMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDU1NDAyMQ@@._V1_SY317_CR1,0,214,317_.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:30 (ten years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/0kjQ2bH.jpg
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:31 (ten years ago) link
this holiday season be italian
― slam dunk, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:33 (ten years ago) link
The dad from Alf is funny in this.
― ...out of that weakness, out of that envy, out of that fear.. (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:49 (ten years ago) link
alf is funny he eats cats
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:50 (ten years ago) link
I love 8 1/2 so I should def watch this asap
― ryan, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
I don't think it's a particularly good movie but it's got marvelous bits, and Scheider holds it together.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2016 02:20 (seven years ago) link
imp life ends with a glam disco cover of an every brothers song
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2016 02:21 (seven years ago) link
imo*
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2016 02:22 (seven years ago) link
and everly* lol thank u phone
scheider's hotness def holds a lot of things together
he's not wearing nail polish but I can imagine him wearing nail polish.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2016 02:24 (seven years ago) link
agreed
― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 August 2016 02:25 (seven years ago) link
and those jeans
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 August 2016 02:26 (seven years ago) link
i agree there are great bits! but "self-pity stinks" as my mom said
― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 7 August 2016 17:41 (seven years ago) link
just re-screened saw this for the first time and decided its one of my favorite movies of all time
― |$̲̅(̲̅ιοο̲̅)̲̅$̲̅| (gr8080), Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:10 PM (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 05:16 (six years ago) link
I happened on this on the Movies! digital subchannel one day. The obscenities were bleeped and the bare breasts blurred, which I assume is an aesthetic desecration of the director's intent? Maybe I'll try watching it as a double feature with Footlight Parade.
― Virulent Is the Word for Julia (j.lu), Tuesday, 31 October 2017 11:48 (six years ago) link
MUBI have it on at the mo..
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 11:54 (six years ago) link
xp jesus i can't imagine watching this movie without all the fucking and cursing. I really loved it though, the cutup/collage style of editing jumping back and forth in time reminded me very much of Nicolas Roeg, particularly Bad Timing. and holy fuck what an incredible performance by Roy Scheider
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 31 October 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Michael Koresky launched his new column on queer(ish) cinema with a partial evaluation of ATJ (tho i prefer the first half, before he gets to it).
The overt gayness of the Broadway scene, of the dancers, of the composers and lyricists, of the other directors and producers, is a given, never made outré or kinky. It likely functions this way to make Fosse/Gideon stand out and sparkle all the more (his straightness is his queerness); yet it’s also the kind of casual depiction of a milieu that could only have been made by a filmmaker who so deeply knows it. “I wouldn’t say you’re a faggot, but you do have a lot of feminine characteristics, right?” an actor acquaintance says to Gideon while he’s in the hospital after his first heart attack; Gideon has no response to speak of.
https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/queer-now-introduction-1979/
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 26 February 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
A brilliant piece tbh.
― "Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Monday, 26 February 2018 22:07 (six years ago) link
"Drop your diet, have a ball."
― "Minneapolis" (barf) (Eric H.), Monday, 26 February 2018 22:10 (six years ago) link
Bye bye happiness, I think I’m gonna die
― flappy bird, Monday, 26 February 2018 22:18 (six years ago) link
KJB rewatched and wants you all to know this is still "awful"
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 15:43 (five years ago) link
He can save your breath, because that's something I will never "know."
― zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Monday, 8 April 2019 15:45 (five years ago) link
he also can't stand Pennies from Heaven.
― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 8 April 2019 16:31 (five years ago) link
no one gives a shit morbs
― jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 8 April 2019 16:36 (five years ago) link
cool
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 16:50 (five years ago) link
― slam dunk
― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:15 PM
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 8 April 2019 16:51 (five years ago) link
Not sure KJB would appreciate you turning him into your new Dennis Perrin either.
― zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Monday, 8 April 2019 17:55 (five years ago) link
I haven't even quoted his "You can't block assholes on that board"
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:10 (five years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETgexi3aWI
― Maresn3st, Monday, 7 June 2021 18:25 (two years ago) link
Almost posted this in the “movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are” thread but thought it didn’t exactly fit there…
I saw this for the first time recently & liked it a lot but thought of that thread bc for a while I was hung up by wondering if the film thought Gideon was actually talented or not. Like he’s obviously presented as v successful and respected, but the actual creative work that we are shown in the film (editing the fake Lenny Bruce movie and the porno dance scene he choreographs) were both howlingly silly and bad imo, to the point where I wondered if Fosse was being parodic or laceratingly self-critical.
In the end i had to admit that the movie seems to think he is talented, but idk I feel like I almost like it better thinking about it the other way, where he’s a has-been coasting on fame despite having completely squandered his gifts
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 July 2022 19:45 (one year ago) link
Screened tonight in Chicago:
The ticket line went out the door past multiple neighboring buildings, and the conversations I overheard in line were all “are we all here for All That Jazz???” just glorious collective bewilderment that YES we ARE all here for All That Jazz!!!!!— James Allen (@jallencomposer) July 19, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 04:47 (one year ago) link
imo the erotic airlines routine is supposed to be (and is) good
the lenny bruce doc within all that jazz is clearly one of those artistic pursuits that’s totally its plot and purpose
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:47 (one year ago) link
also i think regardless of how good either project is, the movie views them both as acts of self-sabotage
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:52 (one year ago) link
lost its plot and purpose*
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 15:53 (one year ago) link
tbh this is the usual failing of Films About Artists, so I don't get hung up on it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 16:06 (one year ago) link
yeah thats why those scenes still worked for me (& why whether or not i think the works are "good" is irrelevant), they both served plot & character functions beyond just "lookit what a genius this person is", which is the default reflex of most Great Artist bios. i like Fosse fine but i appreciated not having that be a requirement for enjoying it as character study.
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 19 July 2022 16:31 (one year ago) link
Back when I was working in a Turkish Nightclub...
My sister had an idea she wanted to add "All that jazz" to one of the shows, and got somebody to bring out this movie's soundtrack.
When it got here, guess what?
Yep. It's not in this movie. It's "Chicago"
Never mind, we did mine it for other tracks, and "It's showtime folks" did get used as a blip intro...
― Mark G, Tuesday, 19 July 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link
Blank Check recently did a series unpacking all of Fosse's films.
Lin Manuel-Miranda guests on the ATJ one, some great moments are drawn from Fosse's first draft of the script that Sam Rockwell sent to Miranda, w/ no name changes and some juicy details.
https://soundcloud.com/griffin-and-david-present/all-that-jazz-with-lin-manuel-miranda
― MaresNest, Sunday, 7 August 2022 12:56 (one year ago) link