All That Jazz - 1979 (starring Roy Scheider, dir. by Bob Fosse)

one of the best movies ever about death

xp Fellini was OK c. Nights of Cabiria, tho.

xp one of the best my favorite movies ever about death

i wonder if kanye likes it

― lag∞n, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:29 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like yeah i can totally see drake eating this shit up

Same cinematographer as 8-1/2, Giuseppe Rotunno.

Surgery footage is self-indulgent crap.

But it's got a good beat and you can dance to it.

self-indulgent?

Yeah. It'd make more sense if the film was trying to be transgressive throughout, but all the stuff with, say, the ex-wife and the daughter is standard pain-of-showbiz tapioca.

youre standard pain-of-showbiz tapioca

And that's material the Fellini film doesn't have?

i am totally not surprised that morbs prefers the forced transgression and fascination with the grotesque of fellini to the living intensity of fosse tho

I like a half dozen Fellini films but 8 1/2 drives me crazy for the same reasons Morbs sayd: the tapioca of relationships. I can't get past the weirdness of the idea: a director doesn't get "blocked" the way a novelist does.

a director "blocks" shots, a writer gets "blocked", haha writers u suk

a director doesn't get "blocked" the way a novelist does.

Serious question: How would you know?

Fosse clearly modeled much if not all of his filmography on Fellini, and not just cuz his first film was a musical remake of Nights of Cabiria. Pauline Kael really hated his post-Cabaret stuff.

most pains of life are pretty standard tapioca

i need to see this, i've loved all the fosse i've seen (cabaret and lenny iirc)

also the interpersonal relations in Fellini are far more unconventional than Fosse's regurgitation of suffering, philandering, heartbroken troupers.

xps True. Kael also hated a bunch of Fellini.

art = beyond tapioca

zzzzz

Man with power thinks all women want to sleep with him. How unconventional.

this is very tangential but i have never understood "self indulgent" as a criticism of art.

feel like you guys shd be a lil more thorough w yr critical scoresheets maybe make a google doc or something

I've never liked tapioca.

tapioca is dope as hell f the h8rs

http://www.simplyrecipes.com/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/tapioca-pudding-b.jpg

so good

Serious question: How would you know?

I wasn't like this when I made All About Steve

tapioca always reminds me of orbitz

I miss Orbitz.

seems like a director also has a writing process like storyboarding or w/e that could get blocked but once youre filming you kinda just have to do it, which is prob the secret to overcoming writers block too

'get r done' as fellini used to say

Love this. Possibly my fave fosse.

http://i.imgur.com/pOhhqkm.jpg

fergie was in that?

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMjA1NTA5MTIwMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMDU1NDAyMQ@@._V1_SY317_CR1,0,214,317_.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/0kjQ2bH.jpg

this holiday season be italian

The dad from Alf is funny in this.

alf is funny he eats cats

I love 8 1/2 so I should def watch this asap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-2rRyXGyhc

this holiday season be italian

― slam dunk

Recently watched this for the first time in a decade and was startled at how much Scheider resembles what Ryan Gosling could look like in another 10-15 years.

This movie is all time. Also, i just finished Fosse, the biography by Sam Wasson, would recommend to any Fosse fans out there.

The stairway song w/his daughter...

can anyone tell me if Star 80 worth seeing?

it is

It is. Not a particularly good movie, excellent mess (Eric Roberts nails the creep).

curious about it but man it seems so morbid and gross

Well, the true story was morbid and gross...

I happened on this on the Movies! digital subchannel one day. The obscenities were bleeped and the bare breasts blurred, which I assume is an aesthetic desecration of the director's intent? Maybe I'll try watching it as a double feature with Footlight Parade.

MUBI have it on at the mo..

xp jesus i can't imagine watching this movie without all the fucking and cursing. I really loved it though, the cutup/collage style of editing jumping back and forth in time reminded me very much of Nicolas Roeg, particularly Bad Timing. and holy fuck what an incredible performance by Roy Scheider

Michael Koresky launched his new column on queer(ish) cinema with a partial evaluation of ATJ (tho i prefer the first half, before he gets to it).

The overt gayness of the Broadway scene, of the dancers, of the composers and lyricists, of the other directors and producers, is a given, never made outré or kinky. It likely functions this way to make Fosse/Gideon stand out and sparkle all the more (his straightness is his queerness); yet it’s also the kind of casual depiction of a milieu that could only have been made by a filmmaker who so deeply knows it. “I wouldn’t say you’re a faggot, but you do have a lot of feminine characteristics, right?” an actor acquaintance says to Gideon while he’s in the hospital after his first heart attack; Gideon has no response to speak of.

https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/queer-now-introduction-1979/

A brilliant piece tbh.

"Drop your diet, have a ball."

Bye bye happiness, I think I’m gonna die

KJB rewatched and wants you all to know this is still "awful"

He can save your breath, because that's something I will never "know."

he also can't stand Pennies from Heaven.

no one gives a shit morbs

cool

this holiday season be italian

― slam dunk

― balls, Wednesday, January 15, 2014 3:15 PM

Not sure KJB would appreciate you turning him into your new Dennis Perrin either.

I haven't even quoted his "You can't block assholes on that board"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HETgexi3aWI

Almost posted this in the “movies where you disagree w/ the screenwriters on who the 'good guys' are” thread but thought it didn’t exactly fit there…

I saw this for the first time recently & liked it a lot but thought of that thread bc for a while I was hung up by wondering if the film thought Gideon was actually talented or not. Like he’s obviously presented as v successful and respected, but the actual creative work that we are shown in the film (editing the fake Lenny Bruce movie and the porno dance scene he choreographs) were both howlingly silly and bad imo, to the point where I wondered if Fosse was being parodic or laceratingly self-critical.

In the end i had to admit that the movie seems to think he is talented, but idk I feel like I almost like it better thinking about it the other way, where he’s a has-been coasting on fame despite having completely squandered his gifts

Screened tonight in Chicago:

The ticket line went out the door past multiple neighboring buildings, and the conversations I overheard in line were all “are we all here for All That Jazz???” just glorious collective bewilderment that YES we ARE all here for All That Jazz!!!!!

— James Allen (@jallencomposer) July 19, 2022

imo the erotic airlines routine is supposed to be (and is) good

the lenny bruce doc within all that jazz is clearly one of those artistic pursuits that’s totally its plot and purpose

also i think regardless of how good either project is, the movie views them both as acts of self-sabotage

lost its plot and purpose*

I saw this for the first time recently & liked it a lot but thought of that thread bc for a while I was hung up by wondering if the film thought Gideon was actually talented or not. Like he’s obviously presented as v successful and respected, but the actual creative work that we are shown in the film (editing the fake Lenny Bruce movie and the porno dance scene he choreographs) were both howlingly silly and bad imo, to the point where I wondered if Fosse was being parodic or laceratingly self-critical.

tbh this is the usual failing of Films About Artists, so I don't get hung up on it.

also i think regardless of how good either project is, the movie views them both as acts of self-sabotage

yeah thats why those scenes still worked for me (& why whether or not i think the works are "good" is irrelevant), they both served plot & character functions beyond just "lookit what a genius this person is", which is the default reflex of most Great Artist bios. i like Fosse fine but i appreciated not having that be a requirement for enjoying it as character study.

Back when I was working in a Turkish Nightclub...

My sister had an idea she wanted to add "All that jazz" to one of the shows, and got somebody to bring out this movie's soundtrack.

When it got here, guess what?

Yep. It's not in this movie. It's "Chicago"

Never mind, we did mine it for other tracks, and "It's showtime folks" did get used as a blip intro...

Blank Check recently did a series unpacking all of Fosse's films.

Lin Manuel-Miranda guests on the ATJ one, some great moments are drawn from Fosse's first draft of the script that Sam Rockwell sent to Miranda, w/ no name changes and some juicy details.

https://soundcloud.com/griffin-and-david-present/all-that-jazz-with-lin-manuel-miranda