what know ye of L.E.J. Brouwer?
― invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 10:00 (ten years ago) link
The story of the CCRU is interesting and they produced a lot of good work, though some of it seems almost comically dated now.
I knew a CCRU type when I was a postgrad in the later 90s, & tho' I liked him – interesting, funny, v clever etc – a lot of it seemed comically dated then tbh. We lacked common ground because I wasn't theory-minded but i felt like much of the aesthetic instantiation of (post-)modernity/futurity looked like slightly silly noodling cybergoth stuff.
What happened to those types - specifically Sadie Plant? She just seemed to vanish with the millennium.
(I can see, as per articles upthread, what happened to Nick Land and woah).
― woof, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:30 (ten years ago) link
I know much of Brouwer, have a look at this for a deluge of mysticism, solipsism, and misogyny. pretty far out
― Euler, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 13:46 (ten years ago) link
yeah i was reading that earlier. i like it. this month's philosophy club is about his maths, tho i don't really know what form it'll take yet.
― invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:26 (ten years ago) link
nb: not repping for solipsism and misogyny obv but his anti-capitalist mysticism is interesting and appealing and there is a lot of proto-environmentalist stuff in there too.
― invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:28 (ten years ago) link
this is one of the classic introduction to Brouwer's mathematics, written by his student Heyting
― Euler, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link
sweet, thanks. assuming there will be talk of intuitionism which, from a brief overview, feels close to a position i wd get with
― invent viral babe (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link
the first piece I posted is hilarious b/c it was to be in his MATHEMATICS dissertation but his supervisor said hell no
― Euler, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link
nobody ever told me about that!!! my education was a sham
― j., Tuesday, 1 April 2014 15:37 (ten years ago) link
how long ago did academic books become piratable? it's very, very easy to find a copy of brassier's nihil unbound or metzinger's being no one online for free
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:24 (ten years ago) link
that being said, i once payed for brassier's book when it was a $99 hardcover
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:25 (ten years ago) link
(winter 2009ish, the paperback wasn't out yet)
neither of the books i listed are open access either. one's on palgrave and the other's on mit press
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link
Wait is that the Fixed-Point Brouwer?
― Teenage Idol With the Golden Head (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 03:27 (ten years ago) link
xp what do you mean 'piratable'? i'm sure students have been passing around photocopies since photocopiers existed, the phenomenon of uploaded pdfs (with an accelerating move from scans of varying quality to shiny ebooks) seems to have really escalated in the last five years. and now just about everything is available.
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 08:26 (ten years ago) link
yup, that's fixed point Brouwer!
― Euler, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 13:06 (ten years ago) link
xpost i wasn't saying anything particularly interesting. from, like, idk, 1999-2010 i pirated music, while spending a lot on cds too, but i never even went looking for ebooks too much until recently. obviously it's a little different for someone to photocopy all of being no one vs. just typing the title and the word "pdf" into google and getting the thing into a pdf app on yr ipad in seconds for reading and annotation. i don't know if it's harder to find more mainstream stuff like hemingway or harry potter, but it does seem easy enough to find at least some of the academic works that i'm interested in; i found a sellars article, a churchland article, and the two books i've mentioned, and i'm sure there's tons more out there. how they actually get there is another deal. does someone actually scan all of less than nothing?
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:36 (ten years ago) link
for what it's worth i bought a new bookcase early this year and intend on buying another one, and i just spent $25 on the piketty book, so i'm not killing publishing by downloading this stuff, especially since i'm going to end up buying the brassier and metzinger books sooner or later, almost definitely in paperback
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:37 (ten years ago) link
my friend and i photocopied zizek's violence for a reading group once in 2009
― markers, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link
is brassier really good? i read a short article by him in a collection and it was ok.
― ryan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:00 (ten years ago) link
does someone actually scan all of less than nothing?
quick answer is yeah (though perhaps not less than nothing itself as that was quickly available in ebook form), there's enough of a community rejecting the absurdities of academic publishing for people to spend a lot of time scanning and sharing. you're definitely not killing academic publishing by downloading stuff, they have some of the highest profit margins around. (if you errrrrrm happen to be interested in an excellent source of research materials, dm me on twitter?)
― Merdeyeux, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:09 (ten years ago) link
xps 5 years sounds about right - i always thought of aaaaarg as being a launch point for academic book-sharing - & it gave me the impression that a lot of ppl online seemed driven on principle to get theory, especially, circulating.
― woof, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:22 (ten years ago) link
when i got my book contract from an academic press i immediately did the math on the royalties and found out that i'd need to sell 20 million copies to be a millionaire. *crosses fingers*
― ryan, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 15:27 (ten years ago) link
merdeyeux, expect a dm tonight! (thanks)
i don't mind paying for the books. i don't own much and don't care too, except for my books.
ryan i'll read your shit as long as it isn't one of those hundred dollar p4lg4v3 or r0ut13dg3 deals. make sure to tell us when it's out
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
oh, and i think i read br4ssi3r's doctoral thesis a few years ago. it's out there, legally, for free. look for "alien theory."
nihil unbound i've skimmed. it looks real good.
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:36 (ten years ago) link
is that the one he's since disowned?
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:39 (ten years ago) link
in my experience, the press I'm with isn't terrible about prices. pleased that they are one of the few doing ebooks as well.
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:41 (ten years ago) link
xps woof already mentioned the site i was being (probably unnecessarily) hush hush about, but you do need to be invited to it nowadays, so if you're not already on it send me yr email address and i'll do the rest.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:42 (ten years ago) link
btw markers another answer to your 'how do things get pirated' question is that in our circles the authors are generally as against the pricing of academic books as everybody else is, so they'll often happily distribute their final pdf copies from the publisher if they're confident it can't be traced back to them.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:46 (ten years ago) link
hint hint ryan.
haha hint well taken! I doubt it'd be in hot demand but couldn't hurt to broaden its accessibility.
― ryan, Friday, 4 April 2014 19:56 (ten years ago) link
is that the one he's since disowned?― ryan, Friday, April 4, 2014 3:39 PM
― ryan, Friday, April 4, 2014 3:39 PM
not sure "disowned" is the right word, but i remember him saying something (re: nihil unbound) like "i regard the book as a botched job" (that's close to a direct quote). i don't think i've ever heard him talk about his thesis too much?
also, yes, academic ebooks are funny insofar as many of them do not exist (legally). good luck finding the brassier book on amazon.
so if you're not already on it send me yr email address and i'll do the rest.
ah thank you! but i think i'll avoid it b/c for some reason i feel paranoid about signing up for something like that where i wouldn't be paranoid about just checking it out. i could see why it's more locked down now.
oh yeah. i think i knew they'd do that for articles, but didn't know they'd do the same for books.
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
i'm serious about reading either of yr stuff btw. let me know whenever stuff's available through whatever channel.
― markers, Friday, 4 April 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
fair enough. i think in addition to that the mp3-downloading 'problem' of just having too much available to you is amplified. if i had the option of reading all the books i own before plunging into the thousands and thousands of pdfs they have then i'd take it, but as someone who has to produce work its an absolutely invaluable resource.
i think the only publisher who actually tried to take action against @@@@@rg was verso, good radicals that they are. for quite a while zizek was conspicuously absent from their archives.
― Merdeyeux, Friday, 4 April 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
On that note, though, verso is selling all their books online for half off this week...
― Fiddler on a hot tin roof (ed.b), Tuesday, 8 April 2014 14:34 (ten years ago) link
uh holy shit
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
not their lefebvre : (
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:01 (ten years ago) link
huh? http://www.versobooks.com/books/1062-introduction-to-modernity
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:06 (ten years ago) link
http://www.versobooks.com/books/264-critique-of-everyday-life-volume-onehttp://www.versobooks.com/books/274-critique-of-everyday-life-volume-two
the newest one on his author page isn't out yet
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
huh, that is a change from the day or two ago when i was looking at 'critique'
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
well maybe you were on this page: http://www.versobooks.com/books/1623-the-critique-of-everyday-life
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link
oh, that's why—i want volume 3
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
note the "may 2014"
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
this is insane though. whatever they were hoping to accomplish with this, it's gonna probably work and get me to sign up for their store, which i wouldn't have done otherwise.
if i had more money now i'd drop a lot on this
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
xp or, when it is issued, a ~900 page CRITIQUE OF ALL YALL MOTHERFUCKERS W/ BLACK AND WHITE TEXT-ONLY COVER ART
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:10 (ten years ago) link
for a hardcover! http://www.versobooks.com/books/437-fanaticism
― markers, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 18:13 (ten years ago) link
wanna order...three books from verso, what are your favourites everyone? give me a wide spread.
― online hardman, Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:30 (ten years ago) link
minima moralia
signs mistaken for wonders
and, i dunno, one i'd like to read, say rancière, hatred of democracy
― j., Tuesday, 8 April 2014 21:37 (ten years ago) link