i'd like some feedback on whether viggo's danish accent is any good. i mean, he is half danish, but i doubt he speaks it often.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 19:49 (ten years ago) link
Well, found this clip:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I0vSZX8Xuw
It's... not good... Half the time, he sounds as if he doesn't know what he is saying. A thing I've wondered: How obvious is it that the girl is acting completely awful as well? She delivers everything very tonelessly. When I see some film with amateurs from a country where I really don't know the language, I sometime wonder whether it's the language that is odd, or whether they are just acting badly...
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
wait, where is this thread? I can't find it on ILE new answers!
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
She delivers everything very tonelessly.
it's quite possible this is what the director wants. we'd have to see the film to be sure.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
Oh, it's worse than that. Nobody ever talks this way, ever. Like, there is tonelessness, and then there is this. This is bad acting, the way every Danish child-actor in way over her head sound like. But then again, I hate this in a way I would never hate it if it was Iranian, I think. It's weird like that.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:20 (ten years ago) link
also the director doesn't speak danish, i presume.
sometimes a film works better if you don't know the language it's using. certainly there are american films the french seem to have an outsized appreciation of, but where i find the dialogue and characterizations to be laughable or embarrassing. actually to turn that around, i wonder if the french critics' appreciation of certain american films/directors in the 1950s--an appreciation deeper and prouder than that of most contemporaneous american critics--is partly because they could, by virtue of seeing the films dubbed or just not being fluent in english, ignore some of the surface problems of the films.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:23 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, I think that is very true. I read about a famous Cahiers de Cinema article on Young Lincoln, which described the final scene with Lincoln marching over a hill as cannons are heard, and said that it showed Lincoln as having become a kind of mounstrous, dangerous creature. Now obviously, it's just the sounds of the coming civil war, it's heroic and patriotic, but isn't their interpretation much more interesting?
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 20:27 (ten years ago) link
are you talking about the infamous CdC article that more or less ends with, "Lincoln is the phallus"?
b/c that article is incredibly specious and dumb. it gets American history profoundly wrong in ways that probably only a pretentious French idiot could.
it's important in the history of film theory--or at least one phase of it--but its the article and not the film that is monstrous IMO.
new Godard -- what are people saying? although frankly who cares what the critics think? it's not like I won't see it.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:18 (ten years ago) link
i guess i wasn't seeing this thread in new answers b/c i have poll threads hidden.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
Probably. Jumpcut spent a recent volume focusing on it, and on Spielberg's Lincoln. Was really interesting, but boy, did they get it wrong. Don't think they get American history any more wrong than Wes Anderson does European ditto, though ;)
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:22 (ten years ago) link
yeah, i'll give him a pass. the assholes who were editing cahiers du cinema post-68, not so much.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link
the cahiers article on young mr lincoln is a deliberate mishmash of American history, a kind of fantasia of American history.
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:42 (ten years ago) link
like that spaghetti western where Garfield gets killed in Dallas after quoting Robert Kennedy?
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 21:50 (ten years ago) link
the cahiers article on young mr lincoln is a deliberate mishmash of American history, a kind of fantasia of American history.― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:42 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, May 21, 2014 4:42 PM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha! unfortunately, it's dead serious.
morbs, i dunno that one (unless you're kidding), but spaghetti westerns are great for LOL versions of American history. Django is one of the more bizarre.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 22:12 (ten years ago) link
being both exceedingly pedantic and totally wrong like that cahiers article is a special kind of awful.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 22:13 (ten years ago) link
I was not kidding
http://www.spaghetti-western.net/index.php/The_Price_of_Power_Review
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 22:18 (ten years ago) link
lol
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 22:19 (ten years ago) link
Craig Keller from MoC wrote:ADIEU AU LANGAGE by Godard. Now is not the time for hyperbole. It is simply a landmark in the history of cinema, on the order of Picasso's Les Demoiselles d'Avignon or, for that matter, Breathless. A complete and total reinvention of form and what cinema even is.
but did he like it?
― display name changed. (amateurist), Wednesday, 21 May 2014 23:05 (ten years ago) link
so tired of Godard.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:06 (ten years ago) link
haha, he's only been around the scene for 55 years.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:13 (ten years ago) link
(i happen to think he's made some of his best movies recently)
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:14 (ten years ago) link
I've tried 2-3 films of most his different period and never found a single film of his to be enjoyable, I didn't bother with Film Socialisme but this one new I might try. There is something about him that rubs me the wrong way. Yet, I love Maker and Resnais.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:31 (ten years ago) link
And his ridiculous letter and this kind of thing that exemplify what I dislike about him, although it's an even a worse look on the festival itself.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:32 (ten years ago) link
The Immigrant still hasn't come out yet here...
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:33 (ten years ago) link
Also, I heard pretty mixed echoes from Kawase, which bums me, as she is easily one of my favorite directors.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 03:36 (ten years ago) link
I've tried 2-3 films of most his different period and never found a single film of his to be enjoyable, I didn't bother with Film Socialisme but this one new I might try. There is something about him that rubs me the wrong way. Yet, I love Maker and Resnais.― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:31 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ha we probably shouldn't meet in person.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 05:05 (ten years ago) link
It looks like one of the worst years of the competition.
― nostormo, Thursday, 22 May 2014 10:24 (ten years ago) link
Every new Godard triggers wild, undoubtedly unreliable hosannas at Cannes. This one appears to be no different.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 May 2014 11:42 (ten years ago) link
But wasn't the raves for Film Socialisme sorta evened out by some very negative pans? That's sorta what I don't see this time, and that's what intrigues me. Because this looked divise before the festival, to say the least.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 May 2014 12:50 (ten years ago) link
There's just really no trusting reviews of Godard, period.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Thursday, 22 May 2014 13:39 (ten years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:15 (ten years ago) link
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:18 (ten years ago) link
He is not a 'consensus' artist and hasn't been since maaaaybe '70-72 at the latest. I find what I've seen from circa '77-95ish (w/ some exceptions) to be pretty arid. Better since late '90s.
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 May 2014 14:40 (ten years ago) link
Mommy is gathering major buzz.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
And that to, pisses me off. The notion of auteurs made sense from 1959 until recently, it was the necessary step for critics to assess cinema as a serious artform, but nowadays it just seems that it's bunch of old white dudes making the same naturalistic movies about unfortunate people, and no, making your film in 1:1 won't make it more special. La Vie d'Adèle (which I'll say is a very good film) was basically the last of this kind I wanted to see. Heck, at least Godard, which I dislike for other reasons, is trying to do something new. I miss the 2008/2009 edition or maybe the summer just started and all I want to see is comedies.
― Van Horn Street, Thursday, 22 May 2014 15:55 (ten years ago) link
lengthy roundtable discussion
http://www.filmcomment.com/entry/cannes-2014-homesman-mr-turner-foxcatcher-maps-to-the-stars-saint-laurent
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 22 May 2014 18:17 (ten years ago) link
it's weird that some folks (including todd mccarthy, who should know better) are all "oh godard, so tired of that old man, he's always doing the same thing" when from nearly all accounts "adieu au langage" is mind-bendingly weird.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:40 (ten years ago) link
i do tend to think that his films pose challenges to the usual saw-it-two-hours-ago-now-writing-700-word-review routine. in some ways twitter is almost a better medium for the time being.
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:41 (ten years ago) link
wesley morris on godard/dolan (i've really enjoyed reading his cannes reports this year):
http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/cannes-diary-day-8-jean-luc-godard/
― display name changed. (amateurist), Thursday, 22 May 2014 20:53 (ten years ago) link
so the Palme is in the bag for Leviathan, allegedly
i liked his Elena more than most Palme winners I've seen
― images of war violence and historical smoking (Dr Morbius), Friday, 23 May 2014 18:07 (ten years ago) link
Disappointed Carell didn't win it but oh well.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:17 (ten years ago) link
Jury Prize for both Dolan and Godard, haha.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
Winter Sleep wins the Palme d'Or.
― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:49 (ten years ago) link
Good job, poll voters.
― Cronk's Not Cronk (Eric H.), Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
The rest of the choices getting votes managed one award between them. But yeah for Nuri. Now there's hope of it getting Danish distribution.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 24 May 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
Xavier Dolan refused the Queer Palm for Laurence Anyways, a year ago, saying (i'm translating) that such a prize is disgusting, contributes to the fragmentation of the world and that its ostracizing.
― Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 22:03 (nine years ago) link
I understand Mommy is pretty disgusting.
― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link
Everything I've heard about it from people I actually know and trust makes it sound like a howler.
― Simon H., Wednesday, 10 September 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
Glenn Kenny wrote that Dolan puts the "terrible" into "enfant terrible." WTF at the praise...
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link
It's really awful. Possibly his worst yet.
― Simon H., Tuesday, 27 January 2015 02:06 (nine years ago) link