Is this etsy Boston Terrier Day of the Dead Sugar Skull necklace questionable cultural appropriation???
https://img0.etsystatic.com/022/1/5470591/il_570xN.482972762_j4gt.jpg
― ed.b, Saturday, 26 July 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
I only had to read as far as the word "Boston" to know it was racist
― bernard snowy, Saturday, 26 July 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link
ok, but this doesn't have anything to do with Boston
― ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 02:09 (nine years ago) link
Feel like that is very standard day of the dead appropriation. No excuse but that is all over SoCal.
― chikungunya manatee (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 27 July 2014 03:49 (nine years ago) link
We have a music festival this summer with the theme "lost in Latin America" which features British ppl doing 'Mexican wrestling' and tonnes of Day Of The Dead iconography as 'fancy dress' but very, very little in the way of irl Latin American artists on the lineup.
http://www.standon-calling.com/line-up
The Cuban Brothers, Mayans, The Menendez Brothers and Venezuelan Alien have no direct connection to the region, afaict.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 07:10 (nine years ago) link
Wait, the Menendez brothers playing at music festivals now?
― ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:38 (nine years ago) link
tbf every town has its white-kids-play-the-music-of-other-cultures-really-shittily band scene
― Daphnis Celesta, Sunday, 27 July 2014 08:42 (nine years ago) link
I'm generally ok with that, tbh, as it generally indicates a level of engagement that goes beyond dress up and cultural stereotypes. If a bunch of kids in Rotherham want to form a calypso band, more power to them. The whole festival appearing to be themed around a cartoon version of Latin culture sits less well with me.
― Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:02 (nine years ago) link
Could learn from http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/jul/25/canadian-festival-bans-native-american-style-headdresses
― ed.b, Sunday, 27 July 2014 13:10 (nine years ago) link
that is awesome, hope coachella is paying attention
― °ㅇ๐ْ ° (gr8080), Sunday, 27 July 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
― ed.b
Haha. "We'd like to dedicate this next one to our parents, for making it all possible."
― nickn, Sunday, 27 July 2014 21:03 (nine years ago) link
someone just wished me happy eid even though i am not a muslim! the nerve of some people!!!
j/k
― the late great, Monday, 28 July 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
Wish this would catch on elsewhere.
Was at a festival in HK in December and saw plenty of headdresses worn by European expats. I found that most European students I met just didn't "get it" and fet that N. America was overly sensitive about contemporary forms of racism.
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, 28 July 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link
http://f1.bcbits.com/img/a3662428547_10.jpg
― marcos, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link
We've finally moved on from "I'm big in Japan"
― 龜, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
wtf is that even
― Sufjan Grafton, Monday, 4 August 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
something that needs a NSFW flag for those of us with images off
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Monday, 4 August 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
This isn't a very well-written article but the comments say so much about white pushback at any suggestion that anything white people do short of blackface (and maybe not even that) is even a teensy bit racist.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/04/katy-perry-avril-lavigne-pop-culture-peddling-racism?CMP=twt_gu&commentpage=1
― Re-Make/Re-Model, Monday, 4 August 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link
― Eggs and the marketing board behind them, Monday, July 28, 2014 3:23 PM (1 week ago)
something might be said about the difference between that sort of appropriation by white americans and by, well ... by anyone else. i have the sense that a great many people don't see cultural appropriation as a terribly offensive thing in itself, in isolation, lederhosen donned by non bavarians or whatever. appropriated by whom and to what end is where things get sticky. we object most passionately when the privileged cruelly mock or thoughtlessly adopt the identity of those they oppress; therefore white americans in blackface, native american ceremonial garb, etc. europeans might understandably see themselves as operating at a substantial remove from all that.
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Monday, 4 August 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
^ maybe replace that "understandably" w/ "rightly or wrongly", perspective involved, chains of responsibilty
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Monday, 4 August 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
huh that's a read on that divide that had never occurred to me. thoughtful.
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 4 August 2014 19:40 (nine years ago) link
I would usually put this in the Race '14 thread since there's no question about this one, but it's germane to the conversation, I guess.
You'll have to excuse me though, I can't ever remember if it's the Mirror or the Mail that's always taking the piss.
A mayonnaise factory manager has quit his job – to live as a NATIVE AMERICAN.He might not quite be sitting bull, but Les Atkins is going to follow his dreams and tour the country teaching people about the Native American way of life.The 65-year-old from Walsall, West Midlands retired from his job on July 31 after 15 years of service - but now plans to spend his days dressed as his alter-ego Native American.
He might not quite be sitting bull, but Les Atkins is going to follow his dreams and tour the country teaching people about the Native American way of life.
The 65-year-old from Walsall, West Midlands retired from his job on July 31 after 15 years of service - but now plans to spend his days dressed as his alter-ego Native American.
I won't repost the pix, but you can find them at the link.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/real-life-stories/mayonnaise-factory-manager-gives-up-3986921
― pplains, Monday, 4 August 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link
That Low Country Kingdom thing is fascinating
― cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:15 (nine years ago) link
'White, military people have crashed (?) and now are underwater (but also in a burning city) surrounded by dangerous but admiring non-white mermaids, the white men maintain their composure'
― cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:16 (nine years ago) link
Seems to have nothing to do with China though?
― cardamon, Monday, 4 August 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
sketchfactor "has a reporting mechanism for racial profiling," so it's got that going for it.
― le hague, Sunday, 10 August 2014 21:23 (nine years ago) link
I downloaded Sketchfactor and 99% of the entries are trolling, and some are really funny
― Dan I., Monday, 11 August 2014 02:18 (nine years ago) link
Charlie Rich - Behind Closed Doors [Started by Charlie Rose (Charlie Rose) in September 2003, last updated 51 seconds ago by Jazzbo on I Love Music] 6 new answers
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:20 (nine years ago) link
what do u think of the word 'jazzbo'
2 US archaic A person, especially a black man.
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:22 (nine years ago) link
Here are names of some toys that will make many reader squinch: Jazzbo Jim, Tombo Alabama Coon Jigger, Ham and Sam, and Somstepa Coon Jigger. They certainly don't represent the finest hour of American manufacturing history.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1991-05-05/features/1991125223_1_black-memorabilia-jigger-jazzbo
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:23 (nine years ago) link
I had never heard that meaning of jazzbo before! Had always taken it to mean geeks with sick chops.
― how's life, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:25 (nine years ago) link
note that it doesnt say it is derogatory in itself, just that any 'neutral' word for 'a person, especially a black man' in early 20th c america will inevitably carry the value inferences of its age
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:27 (nine years ago) link
I always thought jazzbo was a beatnik term--like a white dude grooving to a Charlie Parker set
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:30 (nine years ago) link
that brief definition is provided by oxfordictionaries.com without any etymological support, not that i question their scholarship. i'm curious about this usage, though, as it's new to me. i wonder whether the word was ever really in common use in this extremely generic sense. perhaps the mention simply reflects the tendency of racist whites to turn anything associated with black culture into a hateful epithet?
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:55 (nine years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/QGAn8IU.jpg
this is selling for $1900 on ebay
sick mouthy should be looking to expect around £25,000 for his mint condition ronaldinho bottle opener in 50 years time
― Nothing less than the Spirit of the Age (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
can i still call jazz guys "cats"?
― ruffalo soldier (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
only if you're talking about the ownership of their bases
― Nhex, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link
does the name of the toy describe the character as a musician (playing banjo, "dancer"), or is it simply generic? and is there any clear difference between the two, given popular racist notions regarding "natural" aptitudes?
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:17 (nine years ago) link
asking because i don't think that the tendency of racists to use the language of black culture in a hateful manner should be granted the power to render the language racist. suppose it's a question of degree.
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link
Someone should ask a Black person.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:45 (nine years ago) link
[nods sagely]
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
Albert Richard "Jazzbo" Collins (born January 4, 1919, Rochester, New York[1] — d. September 30, 1997, Marin County, California) was an American disc jockey, radio personality and recording artist who was briefly the host of NBC television's Tonight show in 1957.
The name "Jazzbo" derived from a product Collins had seen, a clip-on bowtie named Jazzbows.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
Let's ask Prince Jazzbo.
http://dublab.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/jazzbo.jpeg
Except he's dead. What about another DJ, Jazzbo Collins?
http://cover7.cduniverse.com/MuzeAudioArt/Large/52/1054352.jpg
A popular segment on his show was the "no stinkin' badges" routine. Al would politely request the main guest for that day don a Mexican bandit costume, complete with ammo belts crossing the chest, six-guns in holsters, a huge sombrero and large fake mustache. The guest then had to pose in front of cameras and for the TV audience. With pistols pointing at the camera lens the guest had to say (with emphasis) "I don't got to show you no stinkin' badges." If the guest did not say it with sufficient sinister tone Collins made him or her repeat it until in Al's opinion the guest got it right.
But he's dead too.
― pplains, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
also from al "jazzbo"'s wikipedia page:
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:00 (nine years ago) link
oh sorry for the repeat post. you've got to be quick on this site.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:01 (nine years ago) link
in any event, at least one jazzbo, we know, was racist
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
Oof. My dad has a few Al "Jazzbo" Collins 78s that he played for me when I was a kid, and I remember them as being hilarious, but no idea if they hold up. That's some seriously fucked-up shit about his tv show, though.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:12 (nine years ago) link
Elvis Costello gets Stroppy with Aging Jazzbo
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
apparently, it was once thought by some that the genre's appellation descended from a musician named "jazzbo"
that's according to this site, anyway
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link
the word "jazz" comes from "jasm", which meant semen but also was used to denote vitality and energy. this according to an art history professor from college.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link