Or does she have a secret Cyberman mausoleum in present day St. Paul's Cathedral?
seems to be inside her TARDIS - note the roundels on the doors as Capaldi leaves & emerges on St Paul's steps, and the resemblance of the garden in Deep Breath to a console room
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link
although I guess now we figure that bit would have been in the li'l Matrix
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:32 (nine years ago) link
seems to be inside her TARDIS
Ah, that makes perfect sense.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
^^ Chiang IIRC.
Li H'sen Chang.
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:37 (nine years ago) link
PS mark - hope yr kid is okay in the days/weeks to come, re this
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
D'oh, got mixed up with the episode title. I guess he's slightly Anglicized (if you will) if Chang is supposed to be his surname.
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Sunday, 2 November 2014 23:46 (nine years ago) link
Ah, well spotted--that was puzzling me too.
THe other confusing thing is the Mistress yelling that the last time they met, the Doctor left him/her for dead, which doesn't really fit at all with either of the Master's nu-Who "deaths": is this a pre-John Simm version of the Master (although every other time the two have met, it's been consecutive in their own timelines).
But a great and super-dark episode. Not one I'd be showing to young children, but I loved it. Gomez is great--the Master as psycho Mary Poppins is inspired.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Monday, 3 November 2014 00:25 (nine years ago) link
I should add that I was about 90% certain that Missy was the Master, but the reveal was still a wee bit chills-inducing.
Is this them softening us up for a potential female Doctor?
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Monday, 3 November 2014 00:30 (nine years ago) link
That and Clara being the Doctor in "Flatwhatever."
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Monday, 3 November 2014 01:26 (nine years ago) link
DOCTOR DONNA
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 November 2014 01:50 (nine years ago) link
In an episode where Danny kills a child and dead people are burned alive, I did think the protracted torture of Change before he died was a bit much.
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 November 2014 08:07 (nine years ago) link
Well, the Doctor left him with the other Time Lords, who would presumably have executed him... Perhaps, if s/he is in love with the Doctor is some perverted way (as was implied here), he expected the Doctor to come save him, and when that didn't happen, s/he felt the Doctor had "left him to die".
One big implication of the Master's return is, if he was able to escape the time lock on Gallifrey, why not the other Time Lords too? I guess they might still reveal that his resurrection as a woman and return to Earth are a Time Lord plot of some kind.
― Tuomas, Monday, 3 November 2014 08:31 (nine years ago) link
Seriously, all the people questioning how barking The Master's plot is here need to watch Time-Flight then report back.
So far The Master has escaped from a black hole, been trapped with the cheetah people on a destroyed planet, been executed by the daleks, been sucked into the Eye of Harmony (these last two in the same story, and how unlucky to end up in a black hole twice!), been shot and "refused to regenerate" and was then burned (which Series 6 clearly states makes a Time Lord 100% genuinely dead, no comebacks), and possibly (there's actually no evidence he ends up in the same place as Rassilon) gets sucked into a pocket universe and/or black hole (third time's a charm!). He's also overcome the mythical regeneration threshold at least twice, turned into a magic snake, been a ghost and become a weird glowing skeleton that shoots laser beams. There's enough handwaving there to take off - so I really don't need to know how he turned into Michelle Gomez any more than a throwaway line of dialogue.
There's an encounter between Matt Smith Doctor and the Master in the officially licensed IDW series Prisoners of Time. I know, I know, canon.
I'll admit, all the stuff about "you deserted me" did make me think it was either The Rani (particularly since the plot was biology based) or an insane Romana - which was a very, very strong rumour.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Monday, 3 November 2014 09:12 (nine years ago) link
I'm assuming that the little boy time lord Clara visited WAS the doctor? After all, if she's somehow a tool of missy's , then she'd be intertwined with The master's timeline too--and we have seen him as a little boy before
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Monday, 3 November 2014 09:38 (nine years ago) link
It's also interesting to see where the Misstress's plot goes next... an invasion clearly, but it's not as if the Cybermen came out of St Paul's guns blazing. People seemed unfazed by the whole thing - it was just the Doctor freaking out. So presumably she's going to sell this as the resurrection of loved ones, allowing the Cybermen to safely infiltrate society before turning on the 'kill' switch.
do we really have to redo the end of season 2 of nu-Who
this fukkin ruled btw
― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Monday, 3 November 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
UGHH I just found out on Tumblr that not only are people slashing Missy and the Doctor, but they're doing it furry-style. /shudders
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:48 (nine years ago) link
that seems... unnecessary
― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:52 (nine years ago) link
My favorite picture of the Master, with respect to his ability to return from the dead:
http://thepandorasociety.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/TheDeadlyAssassin.jpg
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 3 November 2014 19:47 (nine years ago) link
xp also I hope that helps you with the slash fiction.
Honest, I wasn't looking for slash! Just gifs of Missy... kissing the Doctor...
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Monday, 3 November 2014 19:49 (nine years ago) link
haha I bought the novelization of The Deadly Assassin solely for the illustration of The Master on the front; I had bailed on the actual televised story in protest at Sarah Jane's departure.
― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Monday, 3 November 2014 19:51 (nine years ago) link
Liz sladen was really tasty in the early 70s. Not bad in the 5 doctors either though the show is
― Stevolende, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:00 (nine years ago) link
Missy's plan is pretty odd though... I guess the pretext is that Cybermen work better when humans voluntarily choose to get cyberized? Fewer mental breakdowns? As Aldo notes, perhaps one reason the Master/Mistress has never won is because their plots for domination are convoluted and stupid.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:46 (nine years ago) link
The BBC Complaints department have issued a response to complaints about the storyline in Dark Water which involved themes that some viewers found disturbing.The following text contains plot details from Dark Water.BBC One logoDoctor Who, BBC One, 01 November 2014Complaint:We received complaints from some viewers who were unhappy with a storyline about death and cremation.BBC Response:Doctor Who is a family drama with a long tradition of tackling some of the more fundamental questions about life and death. We were mindful of the themes explored in ‘Dark Water' and are confident that they are appropriate in the context of the heightened sci-fi world of the show.The scene in which a character reveals 3W's unconventional theory about the afterlife was preceded by the same character warning the Doctor and Clara several times that what they were about to hear could be distressing. When the Doctor does hear these claims, he immediately pours scorn on them, dismissing them out of hand as a "con" and a "racket". It transpires that he is correct, and the entire concept is revealed to be a scam perpetrated by Missy.
The following text contains plot details from Dark Water.BBC One logoDoctor Who, BBC One, 01 November 2014
Complaint:
We received complaints from some viewers who were unhappy with a storyline about death and cremation.
BBC Response:
Doctor Who is a family drama with a long tradition of tackling some of the more fundamental questions about life and death. We were mindful of the themes explored in ‘Dark Water' and are confident that they are appropriate in the context of the heightened sci-fi world of the show.
The scene in which a character reveals 3W's unconventional theory about the afterlife was preceded by the same character warning the Doctor and Clara several times that what they were about to hear could be distressing. When the Doctor does hear these claims, he immediately pours scorn on them, dismissing them out of hand as a "con" and a "racket". It transpires that he is correct, and the entire concept is revealed to be a scam perpetrated by Missy.
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 01:24 (nine years ago) link
I guess the pretext is that Cybermen work better when humans voluntarily choose to get cyberized? Fewer mental breakdowns?
The original conception of the Cybermen is that they're really satisfied with their improved bodies and minds and are offering this boon to their Earthian twins.
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 02:55 (nine years ago) link
I'm probably thinking of the audio drama Spare Parts, the details of which escape me but was very good. And adapted for Rise of the Cybermen by RTD, but changed rather a lot?
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 5 November 2014 03:22 (nine years ago) link
Is there anywhere I can buy the Doctor's cool back punk sweater?
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 November 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link
Everything except the overcoat and shoes seems to be by Paul Smith, so I'd expect that also goes for the sweater. I have a way of finding out for sure at the weekend, so I'll try, but it hinges on whether or not I see a particular friend at the farmer's market.
― resting rich face (suzy), Thursday, 6 November 2014 18:33 (nine years ago) link
It's the black one with the white dots/holes/stars(?)
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 November 2014 18:35 (nine years ago) link
"a ‘press here’ button, which when pressed plays the legendary TARDIS sound effect."
http://www.bbcshop.com/science-fiction/doctor-who-series-8-bbc-shop-exclusive-blu-ray/invt/bbcbd0289
― StanM, Thursday, 6 November 2014 18:51 (nine years ago) link
OK want.
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Thursday, 6 November 2014 18:54 (nine years ago) link
The jacket's a Crombie as is the white shirt. He's going for proper mod/original skinhead favourites. Those Doctor Marten brogue boots are beautiful and I love that holey jumper. Also loved his polka dot shirt in Kill The Moon, very swish.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 6 November 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link
No, the white shirt is bespoke Paul Smith - the designer is a friend of Capaldi's.
― resting rich face (suzy), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:02 (nine years ago) link
Ah, fair enough, my sources were incorrect! Didn't think Crombie didn't shirts... I guess all the shirts are PS? Not that I can afford 'em, but maybe Topman/Asos will do a knock off (I have a polkadot shirt I like very much, but I want bigger dots dammit!)
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
H&M have a holey jumper : http://www.hm.com/gb/product/59051?article=59051-A
― kinder, Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
obv it's not as good
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/08/1407494653737_wps_2_Dr_Who_star_Peter_Capaldi.jpg
It's not holes but sparkles
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
actually that might just be a shirt looks kinda weired
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link
Here you go
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/07/17/article-0-1FB6FC5B00000578-195_634x955.jpg
That's a Paul Smith cosmos print shirt. Absolutely splendid. Wish I had a space £150 to spend on a shirt...
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:57 (nine years ago) link
That H&M one is very loose and gothy, although I suppose if you sized down you could get something approaching the sharp cut of Capaldi's. I guess you could always buy a simple black crew neck and poke holes in it, but it would probably look rubbish.
― Poor.Old.Tired.Horse. (Stew), Thursday, 6 November 2014 20:59 (nine years ago) link
http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/944x531_b/p013xvpx.jpg
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 6 November 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
I think you are mistaking his eyes for sweater accoutrements.
― Big Orange Machine (Leee), Thursday, 6 November 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
Is it time to predict part 2 yet? My guess: Clara and Danny split with the doctor finally, but steal the master's tardis to do their own thing. Maybe?
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 6 November 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
I've been trying to find where the cybermen having a problem with gold is introduced. Just had them appear in Silver Nemesis where they're being attacked with gold tipped arrows.Earlier weapons against them have been radiation in 10th Planet and a chemical combination inspired by nail polish remover in an early Troughton. So is it the Tom Baker on the space station where the gold is the best way of combatting them is introduced?
― Stevolende, Thursday, 6 November 2014 21:45 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, the Fourth Doctor one with Nerva Beacon.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 6 November 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
Don't think the weakness to gold is a thing in Nu-Who?
Are they still alternate earth Cybermen rather than Mondas Cybermen? I've lost track.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Friday, 7 November 2014 00:23 (nine years ago) link
Yes, it was originally to gold DUST, with some rubbish about it blocking their breathing apparatus.
XP
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 7 November 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link
There seems to be some suggestion--not sure where I got this from--that nu-Who Cybermen are the combined forces of alternate Earthers mixed with Mondasian-descended fellows
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Friday, 7 November 2014 00:27 (nine years ago) link
so clearly the best defense in the universe is a golden staircase
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Friday, 7 November 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link