He also had glasses and clothes that didn't fit 'properly'.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:12 (nine years ago) link
Quite liked the musical, ahem, tribute to the James Bond theme during the skydive.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:27 (nine years ago) link
I thought she (and Kate for that matter) had more potential than the Victorian gang, who really have run their course now and I was pretty happy not to see them past the first episode.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:42 (nine years ago) link
Is this the first time the show has murdered a recurring good-guy character since Jack Harkness?
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:49 (nine years ago) link
With Jack, surely you mean recurringly murdered?
― khaleeesi (Leee), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 22:58 (nine years ago) link
Actually Rory is after Jack
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
Harriet Jones, former prime minister, did die, didn't she? She wasn't always a "good guy", but she certainly was that in her last appearance.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 06:55 (nine years ago) link
Tennant destroyed her career with 6 words after she had the retreating Christmas invading ship blown up which he saw as murder, last time I saw her. So does she recover?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 07:48 (nine years ago) link
I'm rewatching the Tennant episodes after having watched most complete stuff up to there. So have seen pretty much everything once already just can't remember her later appearance offhand. She certainly starts out nice so hopefully is redeemed, though her justification at the time would work for a lot of people.
I was a little sad that Danny wasn't saved. Maybe that will be resolved later? Anyway is the same actor now appearing in the supermarket sitcom Trollied? I saw somebody that looked a lot like him in a trailer. Well an actor has to make a living I guess.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 08:00 (nine years ago) link
Harriet Jones reappears in Rusty's Action Figure Showtime Extravaganza, where it turns out she still secretly controls the "sub-wave" (which is what, a flat line?) frequency comms network. She gets killed by some daleks after they have said her hilarious catchphrase - at the time there were many fan theories she was actually the Emperor Dalek and/or Davros at this point, because the viewer couldn't see her legs and for revenge because EmoWub Doctor destroyed her career.
― the bowels are not what they seem (aldo), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 08:29 (nine years ago) link
Yeah coming back to me now. I'll probably see the episode over next few days unless my folder of Tennant era ends before then. It is his era isn't it?
Also been watching Torchwood which I had on the same hard drive.But not been cross referencing timeline. The hand in the case seen throughout season 1 is the one chopped off Tenant in the Christmas Invasion isn't it? & Captain Jack is taken away by the Tardis for the Master story at the end of that series isn't he?Also is the first mention of Torchwood in Dr Who from Harriet Jones in the war room in Christmas Invasion?
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 08:42 (nine years ago) link
Yes is the answer to all those questions
― ornamental cabbage (James Morrison), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 10:38 (nine years ago) link
Actually Torchwood gets a mention in Bad Wolf, 2 eps before The Christmas Invasion.
― JimD, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 11:47 (nine years ago) link
soda otm, I always thought Osgood was such an all round cringeworthy creation. The thought of her ever becoming a companion is/was horrifying.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 16:41 (nine years ago) link
season ranked:
Flatline Listen The Caretaker Deep Water Into the Dalek Time Heist Death in Heaven Mummy on the Orient Express Deep Breath Robot of Sherwood Kill the Moon In the Forest of the Night
I would rank Forest as a 6/10 story, to give you a sense of how I felt about the season overall.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link
ListenInto the DalekKill the MoonThe CaretakerDeath on the Orient ExpressRobot of SherwoodIn the Forest of the NightDeep WaterFlatlineTime HeistDeep BreathDeath in Heaven
I'd rank Death in H as a five out of ten and Listen as 10. everything down to Deep Water an 8.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
pretty much agree with DJP here. this was an exceptional series.
― akm, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
it really was. I'm not a hardcore whovian but have seen a fair bit and this is unequivocally my favourite series and my favourite Doctor.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
Fuck it, I think Time Heist was actually my favourite. So much fun.
Time HeistListenDeath on the Orient ExpressThe CaretakerDark WaterFlatlineDeep BreathDeath in HeavenInto the DalekRobot of SherwoodIn the Forest of the NightKill the Moon
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
I think most of the episodes were solid 7s or 8s, and then Listen and the Caretaker couldve been 9 or 10 if not for their ropey emo endings.
Deep Breath is the only real stinker here, which by default makes this probably this the most consistent nu-Who season, if not the most enjoyable (for me, season 1 and 5/6a were patchiness but more fun). Like season 7, it didnt have any super standouts, but the writing and acting just seemed massively more confident. (A good Gatiss episode, even!).
― Chuck_Tatum, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:58 (nine years ago) link
"Dark Water," chums, not "Deep Water."
― khaleeesi (Leee), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:33 (nine years ago) link
oof. oh yes. dark breath, the robot of the night, time dalek, caretaker in heaven, flatline on the sherwood express etc.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
look, I didn't correct everyone who said "Death on the Orient Express", I feel some reciprocity is due
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
I got everything wrong. everyone else's fault of course :/
genre writing have annoyingly interchangeable elements.
― Fizzles, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
That's no way to speak of Danmickrory.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link
lol. I meant genre *titles*.
― Fizzles, Thursday, 13 November 2014 06:34 (nine years ago) link
Just got as far as the Tennant era library 2parter and not only does it feature River Song recognising him after large amounts of previous meetings though it's a different doctor.But more relevant to this particular thread, the girl really resembles a young Gemma Louise. Coleman So I wonder if there was any level of consideration when she was cast. Probably just coincidence. But if they wanted to cast somebody as a childhood version this actress at this point would have been great. Had me wondering for a moment if this was old enough to be her. But I'd guess it was 5 or 10 years too late.
― Stevolende, Sunday, 16 November 2014 13:55 (nine years ago) link
So the Doctor meets Santa Claus? I liked the comedy brought to the Doctor vs. the merry Robin Hood mythos but not sure it would work w Santa.
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:49 (nine years ago) link
Also I loved how he fixed things by abdicating responsibility. All episode they were piling things onto him: "you are the president of earth!" "now you have control over an eternal cybermen army!"
― ©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:52 (nine years ago) link
i liked the extended clip, and i ama sucker for nick frost
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 04:52 (nine years ago) link
I'm sure Santa will be revealed to be an alien, right? (With possibly a little wink that maybe it was the real Santa Claus after all.) That's what they've done to all the other mythological creatures in the show, so why not him?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 07:42 (nine years ago) link
The President of the Earth thing bothered me a bit, because it's never been established that any politician besides maybe a few British ones even knows who the Doctor is, right? How did they get countries like Venezuela or Iran to accept that this supposed alien with a Scottish accent should have that power? Maybe if people would still remember the events of the season 3 finale, you could justify it, but they pressed the reset button on that.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 07:48 (nine years ago) link
my impression was that The Doctor was U.N.I.T.'s nominee and everyone was like "OK you guys would know best"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 08:56 (nine years ago) link
Well yeah, but considering how some countries feel about the UN, I doubt everyone would just let them decide.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 10:22 (nine years ago) link
I guess the idea is people think readjust their priorities in the face of an alien invasion, cf http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090731013009/watchmen/images/5/5d/Alienmonster.jpg
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 10:24 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, badly put together post. Just woke up.
Basically the whole episode had this really forced way of getting to the moral choice at its climax: the Doctor is named the King of Earth out of the blue, Missy's whole complex plan was there just to get the Doctor to admit they're not that different, etc. The plot didn't have the sort of natural flow that would make these twists seem inevitable, you could pretty much see the writer pulling the strings.
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― Tuomas, Tuesday, 18 November 2014 10:26 (nine years ago) link
The two-parter that opened season 6 had the Doctor helping out Nixon so yes, some other heads of state besides British ones have encountered him.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 11:30 (nine years ago) link
black helicopters, blue police box
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
That was the worst Nixon impression I've ever seen, btw.
― In Which Doctor Who Listens to Classic Rock Classics for the First Time (Leee), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
Panto Nixon, panto Churchill.
― the incredible string gland (sic), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
at least Nixon was the only bad thing in his story; the Churchill Dalek story was bad enough to be in season 2
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 18 November 2014 21:48 (nine years ago) link
Ironsides Dalek was cool.
(So was it asking “would- you- like- some- TEA?”, though that was a riff on Power Of The Daleks’ “We- Are- Your- SER-vants,” but I hadn’t recon-watched Power then.)
― the incredible string gland (sic), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:10 (nine years ago) link
bbc america going all in with a reboot-a-thon leading up to this year's wobs special at 9pm xmas day
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 14 December 2014 22:37 (nine years ago) link
Christmas Specials back to being forgettable and mediocre again, I see.
― Leeegally Blonde (Leee), Friday, 26 December 2014 02:14 (nine years ago) link
SHADDUP I HAVENT WATCHED YET
:)
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 December 2014 02:19 (nine years ago) link
Then what are you doing clicking on this thread? ;)
― Leeegally Blonde (Leee), Friday, 26 December 2014 02:36 (nine years ago) link
nah this was good. it's not the best christmas special but it did the job. and I was happy with the resolution which everyone had been wondering about.
― akm, Friday, 26 December 2014 04:04 (nine years ago) link
I really enjoyed this
The 'don't look' dream crabs idea was a bit meh and nebulous but that middle section with Clara and Danny holy crap I was a bit of a mess after that, unexpected teariness. Also got lots of feels when Clara hugged Capaldi Doc on the sleigh that was v nice
Nick Frost was a lovely Santa, and I loved the ending
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 26 December 2014 05:04 (nine years ago) link
this was at least the second-best Christmas special ever
― Gland Of Horses (sic), Friday, 26 December 2014 10:48 (nine years ago) link