ppl cared abt no country and truggert! turgitt. turdgrit
i have not seen a single piece of ad for homesman
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link
yeah, the distributor seems to have dumped it.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
Let's not forget the fact that The Homesman is turgid shite.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link
wait Morbz what did you think the best Jake movie of last year was? Enemy?
hell yeah. nightcrawler was fun though.
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:03 (nine years ago) link
^ not morbz ftr
― contenderizer, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:05 (nine years ago) link
"Superior trash" is right, and for once I found myself falling victim to falling back on "that would never happen" dismissals.
Still, Gyllenhaal was great fun.
― Vulvacura (Eric H.), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link
i do think that the film was pretty invested in its satire and it cheated the target way too much to be remotely effective as such
what i was left with was a compelling lead performance and a very mildly gripping thriller
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link
i mean the /limits/ of tabloid journalism (self-imposed and in terms of what audiences will take) are at least as interesting as what it /will/ do, but the film had no sense for the former.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:31 (nine years ago) link
yes Shakes, Enemy
the overtly funny stuff in this one was best, incl the Mexican restaurant scene no matter how funny you thought that was.
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:33 (nine years ago) link
I liked the look Jake gave Russo when she guzzled the margarita.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 21:46 (nine years ago) link
like with whiplash it may or may not be fair to its ostensible subject, but i thought it did a solid, lively job of mixing metaphor and melodrama. both made me realize i don't really sweat whether it would happen irl if there's an enjoyable payoff to it happening in the film
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:20 (nine years ago) link
call it the son of flubber rule
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:22 (nine years ago) link
"yes everyone would freak out if a basketball team suddenly could leap insane heights but would you have been more entertained by the alternative"
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:23 (nine years ago) link
forgot it's football in son of flubber, basketball in absent-minded prof, but anyway
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link
well, sure, i love jackie chan movies too.
it's not the plausibility per se, it's the idea that the scenarios in the film were supposed to sustain some kind of critique of—media, capitalism, whatever.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:26 (nine years ago) link
well he was an autodidact mba who saw a chance and took it - a dark success story - but it wasn't haranguing or pious enough for me to be annoyed with it, or demand a strong thesis.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link
yeah, not a lotta depth there, and the ante-raising doesn't match Network, where each act is progressively more outlandish. What you see is what you get.
I do think JG should do a zany comedy again, say The Soupy Sales Story
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:30 (nine years ago) link
i don't think the movie was trying to give us the state of the media any more than whiplash was trying to give us the state of conservatories
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link
I'd have appreciated using the media as merely cool backdrop/framework if Russo wasn't allowed a point of view.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:32 (nine years ago) link
have you seen any Dan Gilroy interviews? he appeared to v much have that ambition. xp
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
ante raising p massive here imo
you always know where its headed but still, how much further did it need to go
― linda cardellini (zachlyon), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:34 (nine years ago) link
i read some oscar promo he did for deadline and didn't notice too much hot air
http://deadline.com/2015/01/dan-gilroy-nightcrawler-interview-jake-gyllenhaal-1201343460/
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:36 (nine years ago) link
pertinent bit: The idea came in pieces. I think the first piece is when I became aware of a crime photographer in New York City from the 1930s, a guy named Weegee. I actually collect his photographs. He was the first guy to put a police scanner into a car and go to a crime scene. He sold his photographs to tabloids in New York. I moved to L.A. and realized there would be a modern equivalent where these nightcrawlers drive around at 120 miles per hour with 10 scanners going, and it seemed like an interesting backdrop for a film. It was when the character of Lou Bloom (played by Jake Gyllenhaal) came into the picture that I realized it was ultimately more of a character study than it was about this unique world.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:38 (nine years ago) link
reservations aside, I'd be happy if Jake got an Oscar nod; dude's been doing solid work for a few years.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:46 (nine years ago) link
have you seen any Dan Gilroy interviews? he appeared to v much have that ambition. xp― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, January 14, 2015 4:34 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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yeah and the audience identification figure in the newsroom (the "mad men" guy) was a dead giveaway as to the film's underlying moralism too.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:50 (nine years ago) link
he was definitely there to express the familiar journalistic moral, i don't think we were supposed to identify with that dude too much. he's not walter matthau in a face in the crowd
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:54 (nine years ago) link
morality, rather
i'm not saying the film didn't think network news was worthless, just that i don't think it was particularly hand-wringy about it, or that the point of the film was that network news sucks
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 22:55 (nine years ago) link
it's also possible that after pro blogging and mba school, nothing this movie assumed about business or media struck me as unfair
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 23:05 (nine years ago) link
heh
― Nhex, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 23:59 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, January 14, 2015 2:55 PM (6 hours ago)
i dunno about "the point of the film", but its critique is sustained, savage and hardly subtle. basically henley's "dirty laundry" dragged out for another 110 minutes. then again, i suppose you could say that the point is the complicity of the media with sociopathically predatory capitalism.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 15 January 2015 05:59 (nine years ago) link
Well, yeah.
― Don A Henley And Get Over It (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 January 2015 06:10 (nine years ago) link
as i said in what you quoted, i agree the film is critical of the media. but its not bemoaning it, contrasting the situation with what should be, or noting some better, innocent world beyond it, etc. the a guy who hates what leo represents is treated as a nuisance, not as a conscience to necessarily be respected.
between this, whiplash, wolf of wall street, gone girl, observe & report, i'm gathering i have a pretty high tolerance for anti-heroism when the film isn't afraid of humor and melodrama. reacting to this movie with some variation on "i get it, i get it, the media sucks" just feels very forest for the trees where i'm at. it's about watching this guy navigate that world. a world the movie has a critical distance from, but isn't clucking its tongue over.
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 06:13 (nine years ago) link
oh yeah, agree completely. but the movie is, nonetheless, a critique of the mainstream news media. we can accept this while also recognizing that its portrayal of local evening news ethics is a natural extension of its larger view of "late stage capitalism" as america's economic/social/moral universe.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 15 January 2015 06:41 (nine years ago) link
i say it's critical of the media, you say it's a critique of the media, obv the twain shall not meet
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 06:44 (nine years ago) link
okay, gotcha. in calling it "a critique", i'm not limiting it to that, but i can certainly see how the language tends that way.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 15 January 2015 06:55 (nine years ago) link
to be clear, i was just laughing at the fact the idea that i don't accept it's a "critique" after posting it's "critical"
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 07:28 (nine years ago) link
the fact. really should proofcheck any post i'm going to start with "to be clear"
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 07:29 (nine years ago) link
i def don't accept the film is basically henley's "dirty laundry" dragged out for another 110 minutes though, any more than Lolita is basically gary puckett's "young girl" dragged out for 110 minutes
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 07:37 (nine years ago) link
well, there's no point in bemoaning it, cuz it's never gonna change in the few decades we've got left, except for the worse.
LOCAL news, not network
― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 15 January 2015 12:29 (nine years ago) link
― da croupier, Wednesday, January 14, 2015 11:37 PM (Yesterday)
okay, edit to: the film's view of local news is basically http://www.drummerworld.com/drummerworld/donhenley550kjrs23.jpg
― contenderizer, Thursday, 15 January 2015 14:39 (nine years ago) link
you should re-read those lyrics, don't recall nightcrawler talking about how they love to slam don henley
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 14:51 (nine years ago) link
also do you have a different view of local news than "crap is king"?
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 14:53 (nine years ago) link
no! and who doesn't love to slam don henley? i don't fault the film for its view of local news, though as social critique, it did seem almost comically overheated (in a good way). i quite liked the move, if that wasn't clear. i'm predisposed to gyllenhaals.
― contenderizer, Thursday, 15 January 2015 14:59 (nine years ago) link
"movie" is the "move"
i'm just confused why you keep saying "you have to admit it's an overheated critique" when i keep saying the film is a melodrama that assumes the la local media world is shit
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link
my point is simply that the movie mostly assumes rather than argues it sucks, and uses that as the backdrop of an antiheroic story, so merely seeing it as one long slam of the media is to miss the focus of the film.
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 15:03 (nine years ago) link
accent on the word "merely," lest someone think i'm denying the media is getting a slam (a slam no one has actually said is unfair yet).
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link
well, i started out quibbling about "the point", but in the long run, i don't think we disagree on that score. i'm not suggesting that nightcrawler has no concerns beyond its media critique or even that local broadcast news is its primary critical focus. i tried to clarify this yesterday (and a couple posts back), but maybe it got lost in translation. [shrug guy]
― contenderizer, Thursday, 15 January 2015 15:18 (nine years ago) link
apology accepted
― da croupier, Thursday, 15 January 2015 15:21 (nine years ago) link