2015 American Politics Thread: The 114th Congress Is in the House!

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When is the Supreme Court gonna hear that next Obamacare case? I see some political bloggers doing lots of 'what if' writing in regards to that.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:16 (nine years ago) link

Ah, yes. The Obamacare case where, in order to buy the plaintiff's interpretation of the law's intent the justices must find that Congress knowingly sabotaged the entire rationale for the law, rather than that it committed a minor oversight in writing a bill that ran to many hundreds of pages.

Aimless, Saturday, 31 January 2015 18:34 (nine years ago) link

somehow it's not wasteful government spending for congress to keep hope alive about repealing nationalized romneycare, but foodstamps for starving children we cannot afford

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 31 January 2015 19:08 (nine years ago) link

support the troops!

http://www.stripes.com/report-pay-and-benefits-panel-to-recommend-killing-20-year-retirement-1.326293

let's pay for the oil wars with the money of those we sent to fight it rather than the people that got rich from it!

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 31 January 2015 20:13 (nine years ago) link

When is the Supreme Court gonna hear that next Obamacare case? I see some political bloggers doing lots of 'what if' writing in regards to that.

― curmudgeon

What else can they write about?

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 31 January 2015 20:19 (nine years ago) link

gettin congress working again!

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7553521/republican-dhs-shutdown

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 21:10 (nine years ago) link

This is funny from the NY Times article on the Senate vote on the House DHS bill:

Republicans blamed Democrats for using a procedural maneuver to block the bill from coming to the Senate floor. Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the majority leader, warned that the president had executed a partisan “power grab” on immigration.

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 22:33 (nine years ago) link

Let's see, McConnell is not in favor of partisanship. No, that can't be right. He must not be in favor of grabbing at power to accomplish one's ends or to prevent the opposition from accomplishing theirs. Um, no, it couldn't be that. Ah, now I got it! McConnell is spouting crap out his ass.

Aimless, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link

I'm not sure blobfish actually have enough muscles to spout anything

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 23:13 (nine years ago) link

is there an """"explainer"""" of how the congressional GOP is actually managing to seem less capable of governing now that they have control of the Senate? Is it just that O.'s executive actions are emboldened b/c he's free from the burden of campaign optics and congress is doing the same amount of nothing as it was in recent sessions?

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:09 (nine years ago) link

significant portion of GOP members have totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise, I'd say that's a large part of their problem

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:15 (nine years ago) link

new display name here I come

totally unachievable goals and no incentive to compromise (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 00:17 (nine years ago) link

Shit. I guess it just wouldn't do for those college kids to be getting any big ideas now, would it?

Aimless, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 20:58 (nine years ago) link

Only if "the workforce" needs them.

something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

aka "die Arbeitskräfte"

Aimless, Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:08 (nine years ago) link

most current GOP members of Congress are there to raise their speaking fees, score book deals, and live in talk radio land. They're not there to legislate, but no one can say so.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:22 (nine years ago) link

so it's just continuing resolutions from here till the end of time I guess, could be worse.

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Wednesday, 4 February 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2015_02/judis_recalibrates053978.php#

excerpt from analysis

But you can forgive John Judis for wanting to make it clear he thinks any Democratic advantage is gone, since he was the co-author, with Ruy Teixeira, of the 2002 book, the Emerging Democratic Majority, that first explained many of the demographic trends that became fully manifest in the 2008 presidential election—including, most surprisingly, the Democratic comeback in states like Virginia and North Carolina with the right balance of minority, professional, transplant and “knowledge worker” voters.

So as his first article at his new venue, National Journal (he was one of the New Republican veterans who resigned recently), Judis has written a piece with the careful if evocative headline, “The Emerging Republican Advantage.”

Its most interesting feature is the suggestion that Democratic weakness among white-working class voters is beginning to be matched or even exceeded in importance with a new weakness among voters—especially but not exclusively white voters—with a college but no postgraduate education, and with middle incomes between $50,000 and $100,000 a year. This is a big problem for Democrats, says Judis, not just because these “middle-class Americans” are a growing percentage of the population (unlike the non-college educated white working class), but because they are at best lukewarm to the populist messages Democrats are beginning to deploy to stem the Republican tide among the white working class.

Judis’ biggest fear is that in retrospect the Democratic renaissance he and Teixeira wrote about in 2002 may been seen as an aberration in a long Republican tenure driven by the American middle class’ mistrust of government and anger at “incompetence” and “redistribution.”

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 16:15 (nine years ago) link

I'm a little skeptical of that "redistribution" conclusion ... otherwise I don't consider "mistrust of government and anger at incompetence" to be partisan positions

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 20:35 (nine years ago) link

All I ever see or hear from Republicans is mistrust of the federal government. Not just from politicians but from folks on Facebook and others irl.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

that's only temporary

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:18 (nine years ago) link

remember how much they mistrusted the gov't during the Bush years? oh right

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:19 (nine years ago) link

It's been going on since Reagan. As long as Bush was using the federal government to deregulate and cut taxes (that is shrinking the federal government in certain areas) Republicans thought that was a step in the correct direction in reducing the footprint of the federal government they mistrust. The "mistrust" is never logical-- its why Senator Ernst can bash the federal government (on things she does not like) while her family received farm aid. The initial problems with the rollout of healthcare did not help though.

curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:27 (nine years ago) link

it's been going on since way before Reagan!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:30 (nine years ago) link

nah I'll give'em this: the GOP had many more sane members before 1980.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:32 (nine years ago) link

it gets tricky to chart because of how the parties' have historically switched places (Democrats originally the party of the south + farmers/rural communities, GOP the party of Lincoln + northeast + industrialists) but the right wing (ie the south + rural communities) has always conveniently excoriated the federal gov't ("states' rights!", "the New Deal is socialism!", anti-desegregation)... when they weren't in charge of it. the left has excoriated the federal gov't when they weren't in charge as well, although typically for things like being too laissez-faire and in the pocket of corporate capitalists or for lashing out militarily/acting like a police state

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:35 (nine years ago) link

well, farmers + rural communities have not always historically been 'right-wing.'

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link

but "mistrust of the federal government" is really vague as a term. Does it mean mistrust of the EPA? Or mistrust of the President ordering drone strikes against American citizens? cuz those are very different things that bother very different people for different reasons, and the constituency that's bothered by both is pretty narrow and fringe.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:37 (nine years ago) link

"rural communities + farmers" = Populists.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:38 (nine years ago) link

farmers + rural communities have not always historically been 'right-wing.'

yeah I was specifically referring to the Dems origins as the party of Jefferson there (agrarian and pro-slavery, and typically skeptical of federal power), which ... I dunno it's kinda meaningless to ascribe contemporary political affiliations to people living in that era, but those attitudes and demographics have evolved/been passed down to the modern day along lines that we have come to call right-wing in contemporary parlance.

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 February 2015 21:41 (nine years ago) link

@ZaidJilani
6 House Democrats say they wont attend #Netanyahu's speech; 4 say they will attend. Most undecided #SkipTheSpeech

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 February 2015 22:24 (nine years ago) link

quick question: remember the 2010 GSA scandal where they were caught having a big expensive extravagant 4-day conference/party in Las Vegas? and does the general public really remember that?

i just ask because there's a WashPo article on the ramifications of that scandal today. the consequences of GSA's party are well-known to federal workers - congress made it excruciatingly annoying, tedious, and difficult to do anything related to travel, training and conferences - but I didn't think that the general public, beyond a few tea partiers, cared or remembered.

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 14:34 (nine years ago) link

Haven't read the whole article to see if there's a chance for a slghtly less stringent standard. Also, is keeping most conferences out of Vegas really making things that difficult for conference planners?

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link

Maybe Hillary can put a workgroup together to address it, like this one:

With advice from more than 200 policy experts, Hillary Rodham Clinton is trying to answer what has emerged as a central question of her early presidential campaign strategy: how to address the anger about income inequality without overly vilifying the wealthy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/us/politics/economic-plan-is-a-quandary-for-hillary-clintons-campaign.html?_r=0

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:06 (nine years ago) link

. Also, is keeping most conferences out of Vegas really making things that difficult for conference planners?

heh, they're definitely keeping them out of vegas, but it's more than that. it's all the little things that are agonizing.

for example, let's say you're planning a mandatory training session, in-house. it's not a conference - it's just a 2-hour session that could have been set up with a simple meeting invite once upon a time. but there's an employee from another city that's going to be coming. and some consultant is going to come in to lead the training. it's not a conference.

managers get involved. "...is this a conference?" - no it's not a conference "is there travel involved?" well yes an employee is traveling from a different city but he does that all of the - "We need to let the deputy know. this is going to need approval if it's a conference" - it's not a conf- "it doesn't matter if it's a conference, if it appears that it could be a conference we're going to have to jump through the hoops" - you know we could just do a webinar since it's not really important that- "we're going to need you to fill out Conference Request form 2321-rev2" - but it's not a conference - "and in the review chain make sure to note that it's not a conference, we just have to verify that it is in fact NOT a conference even though it has the appearance of-" it doesn't even have the appearance of a conference, it's - "Request form 2321 is being revised again, apparently, we better just make sure that upper management is aware of this situation, we can let them know when we brief them next Thursday" (time passes) "Oh, I'm sorry, we forgot to mention this important conference issue..." - it's not a conference - "...during the briefing, we'll have to draft up a quick memo to let them know that we're requesting to have a conf- IT'S NOT A GODDAMN CONFERENCE! LET'S JUST MAKE IT A GODDAMN WEBINAR. SHIT! SHIIIIIIIIT! *runs down the hall and crashes through the window*

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:26 (nine years ago) link

and for god's sake, PLEASE refrain from bringing in coffee or bagels to this training session because that definitely sounds conference-y and you know we don't need to deal with that right now

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:27 (nine years ago) link

not only must you avoid conference, you must avoid even the appearance of a conference

j., Monday, 9 February 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link

lol @ "inclusive capitalism"

xxxp

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 February 2015 16:27 (nine years ago) link

if only the fucking shell game was sophisticated enough to be Orwellian, instead of Idiocracian.

touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 February 2015 16:32 (nine years ago) link

Mitch McConnell is upset about filibuster abuse.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/mitch-mcconnell-shutdown-conundrum-obama

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 9 February 2015 20:07 (nine years ago) link

"You'll have to ask the leader," Missouri Sen. Roy Blunt, the vice chair of the Senate Republican Conference, told TPM on Thursday.

burn tbh

stately, plump buck angel (silby), Monday, 9 February 2015 20:57 (nine years ago) link

http://www.prospect.org/article/needless-default

The administration’s foreclosure relief program was designed to help bankers, not homeowners. That disgrace will haunt Democrats.

By
David Dayen

I think Krugman and some others have been writing about this for awhile, and this provides further details

curmudgeon, Monday, 9 February 2015 22:43 (nine years ago) link

GOP circular firing squad in the house! http://news.yahoo.com/mcconnell-senate-stuck-over-bill-funding-homeland-dept-193718285.html

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 20:36 (nine years ago) link

. Also, is keeping most conferences out of Vegas really making things that difficult for conference planners?

heh, they're definitely keeping them out of vegas, but it's more than that. it's all the little things that are agonizing.

for example, let's say you're planning a mandatory training session, in-house. it's not a conference - it's just a 2-hour session that could have been set up with a simple meeting invite once upon a time. but there's an employee from another city that's going to be coming. and some consultant is going to come in to lead the training. it's not a conference.

managers get involved. "...is this a conference?" - no it's not a conference "is there travel involved?" well yes an employee is traveling from a different city but he does that all of the - "We need to let the deputy know. this is going to need approval if it's a conference" - it's not a conf- "it doesn't matter if it's a conference, if it appears that it could be a conference we're going to have to jump through the hoops" - you know we could just do a webinar since it's not really important that- "we're going to need you to fill out Conference Request form 2321-rev2" - but it's not a conference - "and in the review chain make sure to note that it's not a conference, we just have to verify that it is in fact NOT a conference even though it has the appearance of-" it doesn't even have the appearance of a conference, it's - "Request form 2321 is being revised again, apparently, we better just make sure that upper management is aware of this situation, we can let them know when we brief them next Thursday" (time passes) "Oh, I'm sorry, we forgot to mention this important conference issue..." - it's not a conference - "...during the briefing, we'll have to draft up a quick memo to let them know that we're requesting to have a conf- IT'S NOT A GODDAMN CONFERENCE! LET'S JUST MAKE IT A GODDAMN WEBINAR. SHIT! SHIIIIIIIIT! *runs down the hall and crashes through the window*

― Karl Malone, Monday, 9 February 2015 15:26 (Yesterday) Permalink

I work for the government and don't travel, but from what I hear from others who need to, Karl is OTM.

RAP GAME SHANI DAVIS (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 10 February 2015 22:41 (nine years ago) link

Possibly over a parking spot

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 15:32 (nine years ago) link

An NRA koan: If those Muslims would have been armed, this never would have happened.

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 16:06 (nine years ago) link

<3 TV's Frank:

Erick Erickson ‏@EWErickson 2h2 hours ago
Boy, had that guy in North Carolina been a tea party member or Christian instead of an atheist gay rights activist, twitter would be on fire

Frank Conniff @FrankConniff
.@EWErickson Twitter is on fire about this, douchebag.

Οὖτις Δαυ & τηε Κνιγητσ (Phil D.), Wednesday, 11 February 2015 16:09 (nine years ago) link


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