it does seem weird that suddenly there's this institution with more power than the royal family, it just feels abrupt
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link
makes me wonder what power is really based on in King's Landing
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
pryce imprisoning cercei seems pretty dumb too.
― Mordy, Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:50 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
well he is a religious fanatic
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
he speaks so reasonably tho. he seems like a pragmatic fanatic.
― Mordy, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:52 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 28, 2015 11:51 AM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and prob extremely short lived no
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
aren't there still plenty of ppl w/ loyalty to the lannisters / on their payroll?
not really. theyve spent a fair amount of time building margaery and the tyrells up as having a folk hero/benevolent dictator status to the ppl of king's landing and much of westeros, whether that's entirely earned or unearned is another matter but ppl def love them and only ever feared the lannisters
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
fear is a powerful thing of course but as soon as ppl think they dont have to feel it they cease to, in a general sense.
also, ppl think that the tyrell army beat back stannis much more so than tywin's army (even tho it was really tyrion and company and then the tywin/tyrell joint effort)
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:55 (eight years ago) link
It may have been more logical to have some guards escorting Cersei, only to be slaughtered by the faith militant in that scene when they take her to the dungeon.
― Evan, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:56 (eight years ago) link
cersei has jaime, qyburn, that thing qyburn is creating in his lab and lannister soldiers who are loyal to the house over all. (and roose bolton but its not gonna do her much good.) the tyrells have their own sizable army, enormous wealth that isn't running out and could have p much the entire country and kind of already do, and
― slothroprhymes, Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
i'm gonna start saying LOOK AT MY FACE at people on the subway
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:58 (eight years ago) link
*and yea that family is basically cooked.
IT'S THE LAST THING YOU'LL SEE BEFORE YOU GET OFF AT BROADWAY LAFAYETTE
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
Also remember Cersei's rep is largely emasculating/possibly manslaughtering a popular king, and mothering a hated one.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Thursday, 28 May 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
I think it's perfectly conceivable that they'd have plenty of potential allies in the city even if just Lannister soldiers and the goldcloaks but Cersei has been so fierce in shielding Tommen that virtually nobody with any sense or foresight has had access to him and the power he commands as king.
Cersei in her infinite wisdom then had to go and convinced him that any military action would end in the deaths of the ones imprisoned so I don't see that being pursued.
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 28 May 2015 16:08 (eight years ago) link
― lag∞n
yeah, the way it's come out of nowhere suggests it's just a fun little sidequest while martin types out the future. i'm sure you can point to several foreshadowing events over the first 4 seasons but basically it just seems like it's come out of nowhere in season 5
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 16:21 (eight years ago) link
yeah but lancel looks so different now, 90% of watchers would be all WTF?
is it the same actor, even?
― p:s nerds know (dog latin), Thursday, May 28, 2015 4:00 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
same guy
― Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:13 (eight years ago) link
remembered almost none of this http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Lancel
― lag∞n, Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:19 (eight years ago) link
haha yeah me neither. Feel like this show has a habit of suddenly rendering minor, unmemorable characters somehow significant to the larger story(ies)
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:52 (eight years ago) link
it's nothing compared to the books, but the books have lists and charts and maps
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
from season 2:
Tyrion has had Grand Maester Pycelle arrested for breaking his confidence and feeding information to Queen Regent Cersei Lannister.[9] Cersei sends Lancel to Tyrion with a warrant for the release of Pycelle. He arrives late at night and Tyrion invites him for a drink and Lancel refuses. Tyrion wonders why Cersei did not come herself. Lancel says that he does not care and Tyrion continues to question him. Tyrion establishes that the order came directly from Cersei and then asks why Lancel waited to deliver it. Lancel says that he came immediately and Tyrion wonders what he was doing conferring with Cersei so late at night. Lancel improvises and says that Cersei often works through the night, and Tyrion retorts that she must be glad to have Lancel helping her at all hours. Tyrion notes the scent of lavender oil on his cousin and says that it is a favorite of Cersei. Lancel asserts his position as a knight, and Tyrion jokes that he is an anointed knight. Tyrion asks if Cersei had Lancel knighted before or after she took him into her bed. Lancel furiously calls that a lie, but when Tyrion threatens to tell Joffrey, he collapses into a chair, aghast. Lancel claims that it wasn't his fault, and Tyrion asks if she took him against his will. Lancel insists he was following Tywin’s orders to obey Cersei in all things, but Tyrion counters by asking him if Tywin ordered him to sleep with her as well. Tyrion points out the benefits Lancel has received and threatens to go straight to Joffrey at which Lancel falls to his knees and begs him for mercy and offers to leave the city. Tyrion says that Lancel must act as his spy to buy his silence. Tyrion asks Lancel to beg Cersei’s forgiveness and agrees to release Pycelle but refuses to reinstate him to the council.
tyrion is the best
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 18:59 (eight years ago) link
jeez, i forgot that cersei punched lancel's arrow wound during the battle of the blackwater! that probably made him really mad at her
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
I easily remembered all the Lancel scenes because he was previously just there to be humiliated by the other characters.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
yeah, having spent several seasons as a hapless pawn, it makes total sense dude got religion
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link
His best scene is Tyrion telling Lancel to ask Bronn to kill him if certain circumstances occur and Bronn replying "it would be my pleasure".
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
https://youtube.com/?#/watch?v=3Yyw7Iyvy2E
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 28 May 2015 19:19 (eight years ago) link
I just listened to Grantland's GoT podcast and their "expert" guy claimed that Littlefinger was definitely talking about Lancel in that "handsome young man" line. If that's the case then that is some championship level shitty writing.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Thursday, 28 May 2015 20:46 (eight years ago) link
Long shot but it could be Gendry
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:32 (eight years ago) link
nah, it's probably the witness against Loras.
― Mistah FAAB (sarahell), Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:42 (eight years ago) link
Otm
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Thursday, 28 May 2015 21:55 (eight years ago) link
Littlefinger had a chat with Lancel after he joined so I assumed it was him, though I don't think he was the one who pushed him to talk about the incest to Pryce.
― Insane Prince of False Binaries (Gukbe), Friday, 29 May 2015 05:02 (eight years ago) link
Littlefinger seems to have two big bases covered right now but I'm not sure what his gameplan is for if Stannis takes Winterfell. Presumably Sansa is some level of insurance there but I don't know why Stannis would exactly give a shit, other than out of pragmatism.
― Matt DC, Friday, 29 May 2015 11:19 (eight years ago) link
Stan is kind of a stickler about rightful heirs.
― Madison Dumbbarfer (Leee), Friday, 29 May 2015 17:06 (eight years ago) link
Yeah you can bet the house on Stannis instating Sansa as the Stark in Winterfell if he wins this fight (unless her marriage to Ramsay has somehow invalidated this? idek, we're so far off the edge of the map now wrt the books that I'm finding it increasingly difficult to read these characters), but does that help Littlefinger particularly? Surely Sansa is gonna be pretty pissed at him for riding off into the night and leaving her with Ramsay the psycho
― Windsor Davies, Friday, 29 May 2015 22:53 (eight years ago) link
Sansa is sort of hot for Littlefinger and believes he's her protector of sorts, her mother's best friend, etc.
That might change after Brienne slices Ramsey in half and tells the real story though.
― Matt DC, Saturday, 30 May 2015 19:02 (eight years ago) link
What does Brienne know since she last met Sansa?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 30 May 2015 19:06 (eight years ago) link
i was not under the impression that sansa was in any way sort of hot for littlefinger
― Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 May 2015 19:14 (eight years ago) link
Guys, nothing in that story makes any sense at all.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 30 May 2015 21:03 (eight years ago) link
I did not see that episode coming
and it was fucking great
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 02:24 (eight years ago) link
tyrion/dany scenes were so so so so so good
― slothroprhymes, Monday, 1 June 2015 02:27 (eight years ago) link
and then whoaaaaa battle time
"arise my undead children" part was amazing
― Karl Malone, Monday, 1 June 2015 02:32 (eight years ago) link
as they floated away at 0.000000001 knots/hr
that was red wedding level unanticipated terror
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 1 June 2015 02:47 (eight years ago) link
I feel they have made up for the last two episodes. Gonna be a dead sprint downhill from here.
― Hydroelectric New Deal Demiurge (B.L.A.M.), Monday, 1 June 2015 02:53 (eight years ago) link
yeah best episode in a bit. lots of dénouement on the horizon. still guessing stannis will be the major plot character to eat it this season since he's been so sympathetic lately
― head clowning instructor (art), Monday, 1 June 2015 03:03 (eight years ago) link
Goddamn that was insane.
― Hell Books (latebloomer), Monday, 1 June 2015 03:14 (eight years ago) link
love the final stare down that lasted 4 minutes and all the while the boat has not advanced a bit.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 1 June 2015 04:53 (eight years ago) link
i thought he was going to freeze the entire bay at first.
― AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 1 June 2015 04:58 (eight years ago) link
took them long enough but yeah, that was an A+ budget-busting set piece of a sequence of a variety that's been sorely lacking.
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Monday, 1 June 2015 05:00 (eight years ago) link
Cersei's manipulation at King's Landing look even worse now. There is no time for petty politics you fools.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 1 June 2015 05:02 (eight years ago) link