Rolling 2015 Thread on Race

Serial yoga-teacher dating even has become a thing. Venice-based TV writer-producer Steven Pearl admits he started dating yoga teachers about two years ago. "The proliferation of yoga classes in L.A. means more teachers, and many are actresses, dancers — all working their minds and, of course, their bodies. Their look is very appealing: fitted clothes, fresh faces, utterly unpretentious, no makeup. They're more wholesome and approachable. Suddenly, my guy friends are all talking about dating yoga teachers. And most of the best studios are in neighborhoods with tons of entertainment people: West Hollywood, Venice, Brentwood."

Who epitomizes beta better than a yoga teacher?

i'm sure i already don't but what shows does steven pearl put out, i want to never see them

tbh I lost it at "old Chinese quantum physics"

worth quoting in full

Relationship expert Dr. Jeremy Nicholson sees the phenomenon in a more basic, evolutionary way: "Men are always interested in attractive, pleasant, feminine women for mates. What shifts are the groups of women allowed and encouraged to be attractive, pleasant and feminine. At certain points in the Hollywood culture, the women who embodied those characteristics to men were primarily Asian. In the current culture, yoga instructors now are a source of healthy, attractive, feminine women."

Alpha men teaming up with yoga teachers chimes with Eastern philosophy, offers Dr. Pat Allen, an L.A. relationship expert: "In old Chinese quantum physics, men had yang bodies: They build, they create. Women receive. Alpha men have a very tough time committing to alpha women. They'll have an alpha mistress but not an alpha wife. Alpha men do better with beta women: sensitive, empathetic and kind. Who epitomizes beta better than a yoga teacher?”

i'm gonna post this picture of Dr. Jeremy Nicholson i don't care how huge it is

http://attractiondoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/DrNicholson2.jpg

Man, they'll give a doctorate in relationships to just about anyone these days.

attractiondoctor.com

http://drpatallen.com/

omg these fucking charlatans ps is this woman dead, someone shake her

Uh.....this news is horrible. This redneck Charles Manson is way more of a terrorist threat to US safety than Isis.

nell irwin painter: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/opinion/sunday/what-is-whiteness.html?smid=tw-share

This is the first piece I've ever read that advocated for a white identity that didn't automatically make my skin crawl

you don't consider white Americans to identify particularly strongly with their ancestral racial/national identities? maybe my experiences are totally skewed (wouldn't be strange obv) by returning yanks but even so ime white Americans p much always identify as, under that umbrella, eg German, Irish, polish, w/e- often as a primary identity and not just as ancestry

In the 1970s, long after they had been accepted as “white,” Italians, Irish, Greeks, Jews and others proclaimed themselves “ethnic” Americans in order to forge a positive identity, at a time of “black is beautiful.” But this ethnic self-discovery did not alter the fact that whiteness continued to be defined, as before, primarily by what it isn’t: blackness. i think this is a bold but inaccurate claim.

kudos

i hate the alpha/beta shit to the point where when i read it i want to break things. it completely devalues the "beta" or "feminine" qualities -- i.e. "sensitive, empathetic, and kind" for dr pat allen, l.a. relationship expert -- in a condescending bullshit way, as if those qualities imply weakness instead of strength.

sorry i am kind of veering back to the earlier discussion. i just think it's worth noting how gross and dehumanizing that way of seeing the world is. it's misogynistic and also a recipe for self-loathing, as i am guessing people who spout that stuff worry a lot about whether or not they are an "alpha". the people who spout this stuff should hate themselves of course, but for different reasons.

you don't consider white Americans to identify particularly strongly with their ancestral racial/national identities? maybe my experiences are totally skewed (wouldn't be strange obv) by returning yanks but even so ime white Americans p much always identify as, under that umbrella, eg German, Irish, polish, w/e- often as a primary identity and not just as ancestry

― designated hitler (darraghmac), Sunday, June 21, 2015 6:56 PM (2 hours ago)

identity is one thing, perception by others is another

During normal everyday waking life, white Americans give little thought to their ancestral racial/national identities. However, put them in Europe and let them talk to Europeans and they are more than willing to identify themselves with some or other European ancestral national identity, unless their ancestry (as often happens) is so hopelessly mixed and effaced as to be unidentifiable.

'Celtic' in that piece seems exclusively to signify Irish Catholic.... which might well be accurate in context.

we could poll the white Americans of ILX to see how much ethnic affinity they feel to their ancestors

you don't consider white Americans to identify particularly strongly with their ancestral racial/national identities? maybe my experiences are totally skewed (wouldn't be strange obv) by returning yanks but even so ime white Americans p much always identify as, under that umbrella, eg German, Irish, polish, w/e- often as a primary identity and not just as ancestry

― designated hitler (darraghmac), Sunday, June 21, 2015 5:56 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It depends! I know lots of people who do identify that way, but it's not universal and, unless it's a link to a remembered relative of the last few generations, it's largely constructed.

I personally identify as generically white. I think a great-great-grandparent was an immigrant, but the rest of my family has been in the same general area for six or seven generations and I can't even trace the genealogy that easily past the midwest.

corn people

p much

My oldest US ancestors a) moved onto land cheated off Native Americans and/or cleared of Native Americans and b) owned slaves. The slave owners were also major Revolutionary War combatants who turned over a great deal of assets to fund said war. This did not include the slaves, who were left to other relations in their wills. I've thought about this A LOT and despite those ancestors fighting for union in the Civil War and accepting abolition (obvs), I am not interested in doing any sort of dance around the facts any longer.

#humblebrag

^white guy more interested in casting aspersions on me than doing any research on the possibility of equally compromised Yankee ancestors.

IOW, don't be a twat.

haha! sorry, suzy. i couldn't resist...

http://i.imgur.com/JbNOd45.png
me irl

i'm wite

Extremely

way wite

i found this old picture of my cousins. it tells the grisly tale...

https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t1.0-9/1557465_10152762807532137_914370834_n.jpg?oh=4671f1c015f322e6e78aa267d37eb0c5&oe=56231DD4

https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpk1kkbIhW1ql834lo1_500.jpg

http://gawker.com/man-suspected-of-attacking-asian-women-found-hanging-in-1713313490

this was just a sad story all around

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/23/us/politics/views-on-race-and-gop-ties-define-group-council-of-conservative-citizens.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

Council of Conservative Citizens Promotes White Primacy, and G.O.P. Ties

By MICHAEL WINES and LIZETTE ALVAREZJUNE 22, 2015

Ok, maybe I'm the dumbass here, but "white primacy"?

Just did a Nexis search and got 20 results between 1980 and today.

they're probably SEO-optimizing and trying to avoid getting blocked from people's filters by not using the word "supremacy" in conjunction with "white"

oh nyt

seems like a case of not using the accepted terminology just to appear 'objective'

white primates

djp & goole prob right

but maybe they’re making ideological distinction between ’supremacy’ (belief in racial superiority over others) and ‘primacy’ (belief that one’s own race should be most important to one, in terms of pride, allegiance, whatever)

latter is more consistent with narrative of white men as victims

they changed it anyhow, front page says supremacist now

Any publicity is good publicity.

i.e. it may be a journalistically necessary shading to describe ccc platform (which is not explicitly about supremacy)?

xp oh then it's just nyt locutions

DYAC

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/23/black-churchesforgive-white-people-shame

excerpt from kiese laymon's new book

Oh man

I enjoyed scrolling through the comments in that NYT CCC article, but "Chris" wrote this:

The Left's media machine is forever trying to tie republicans to some disreputable group or another. I'm quite involved in conservative politics, and I've never even heard of this group. They sound like any number of fringe leftist militant marxist groups. There are far-out left and right groups, that most folks would know to avoid just out of simple decency. Sorry... not buying your tale of conspiracy here. More leftist noise.

I have my own first-hand sources - people in my family who were into conservative politics, then left...and they left because they could not attend a conservative event without encountering racists and racist groups. I find this hard to believe. These racist groups are very vocal in the Tea Party.

Then again, "Chris" could be one of a zillion white supremacists who are online and who pretend to be "conservative".
In any case, it is irresponsible to be active in politics and not know who these people are.

have mixed response to that. there’s some strand of validity to what he says (& his defensiveness is psychologically understandable, imo sincere)

tracing ‘affiliations’ (finding ‘associations’ or ‘links’) is important & relevant, but sheer fact of connection or overlap (without further analysis) is informative in limited sense only. tend to be uncomfortable with political over-extrapolation & overgeneralization (critics of israel are antisemites; muslims are terrorist sympathizers; progressives (let alone democrats) are communists; conservatives (let alone republicans) are racists)

yet in this case, confronting those associations may be necessary thing, e.g. jolting some conservatives’ consciences with respect to flag

What are the big fringe leftist militant marxist groups? Is he talking OWS or something?