Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure: Classic or Beyond Classic?

Bill and Ted are guided to ensure a specific future by Rufus, using a phone booth to aid in their travels.

Neo & co. are guided to ensure a specific future by Morpheus, using land line phones to aid in their travels.

The world depicted in The Matrix is a result of Wyld Stallions not taking off and inspiring a utopian society; both worlds are variations of the reality simulation. Rufus and Morpheus aren't "real", but separate manifestations of the same program.

http://www.reddit.com/r/FanTheories/comments/1ei8nu/quick_and_dirty_bill_and_ted_vs_the_matrix/

? I like the idea of Bill & Ted and The Matrix both taking place in a shared universe. Perhaps Ted's experience with inter-dimensional travel (both through time and birth/death) are what make him The One, and lead Morpheus to seek him out in the first Matrix film. Due to the failure of Wyld Stallions to unite the human race, an AI Cold War spun out of control, resulting in the apocalyptic cyberscape of the Matrix.

There is a point in Bill & Ted 2 where he leaves his body and takes over the body of a policeman in a room full of cops, which is an ability he rediscovers in his later confrontations with authoritarian Mr. Smith.

The reason he can affect machines in the 'real world' is using his past experience outsmarting and defeating the robot Evil Bill & Ted.

third film on the way

The Sad Pudgy Years

Never even saw the second one--a trend that I will continue by not seeing this one either.

my trend will be to watch the first 20 minutes (going on three there)

Keanu might be sad but he's not pudgy.

between the John Wick garbage shoots, he might be

this might be good if it actually is a depressing slowcore meditation on how being fat drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life

this is gonna be great the first two were great fuiuid

I do like the idea of seeing Keanu get to be goofy again.

the script is about realising you've become middle-aged dads without ever actually achieving the high dreams & promise of your youth

this will be awesome and i'm excited

I really hope they don't retcon away the end of Bogus Journey.

all they do is win a battle of the bands, it’d be easy enough to get around that to explain why they’re still failures without retconning anything

idk if a series where the main characters travel through time and then get killed and then get brought back to life really needs to retcon anything

first film is still totally classic, don't remember much about the second one other than it creeping out 10-year old me and featured some kind of E.T. like character

i had the comic book adaptation of bogus journey, drawings were creepy as fuck iirc, was especially distressed by the depiction of the easter bunny they meet in hell

Evan Dorkin, who did that adaptation, went on to do 11 issues of original Bill & Ted comics from Marvel (featuring the cast from Bogus Journey, as he had never seen the first movie).

this could be the one where they drunkenly have brosex

hope Logan Paul doesn't get cast as one of their kids

this might be good if it actually is a depressing slowcore meditation on how being fat drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life

Really didn't like Bogus Journey but in honor of Bill and Ted I have decided to anticipate that this will be excellent

i do like the first 2 movies and i was barely joking

i'm just so tired of seeing dead horses getting a good flogging

also bg is correct that the best thing about the films is probably the protagonists relentlessly positive disposition

but somehow i really doubt this will be "Jim Anchower: The Movie"

this might be good if it actually is a depressing slowcore meditation on how being fat drunk and stupid is no way to go thru life

nah, it would suck. we are already lousy with fictional characters going to therapy or lampshading the self aware way they live their lives. asking to be depressed while watching a Bill & Ted movie is, like, entirely missing the point.

really gonna miss george carlin in the third one whatever happens

bizarro - that's not the end of the film afaic

this is the alex winters/keanu movie that needs a sequel:
http://www.cineoutsider.com/reviews/pix/f/fr/freaked1.jpg

i DID see all of that one.

it's better than both Bill and Ted movies imo

bizarro - that's not the end of the film afaic

Yup. That's essential to the way the film ends for me.

What’s the story of Bill & Ted Face the Music?

ED SOLOMON: Bill and Ted were told at 16 that they were going to be the greatest people who ever lived. That they were gonna write a song that is going to save the world, and it hasn’t happened. And now they are middle-aged men. They’ve got wives who used to be princesses in medieval England who are now working double shifts at Denny’s, they’ve got teenagers that are about to leave home, money is tight, and they’ve been chasing this dream, writing song after song, when somebody from the future shows up and says, “You have 24 hours. The fate of all of space/time depends on it – and if it doesn’t happen now, it’s never gonna happen.” Bill and Ted are confused because they know they had to have written it, because after all the people in the future told them they did.. so they just must not have written it yet. So in their desperation they decide their only option is to go into the future – to when the have written it – and to steal it from themselves. What follows is a kind of utterly absurd, Christmas Carol-like journey through their lives past, present, and future. Their daughters (Bill has a daughter named Thea, Ted’s daughter is named Billie) are also very involved in trying to help them.

http://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3/

this is a nice launching off point. they have a run-in with this timeline:

https://i1.wp.com/methodsunsound.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/shorts-bill-ted-2.jpg

Freaked is so good. Rasta eyeball henchmen named Eye & I!

Oh man freaked is the best movie ever made

bogus journey is really really really really crazy and really GOES FOR IT in a way few movies especially sequels would.

I'm so good with people doing the thing they got famous for in their youth when they are old. It's cool to see people old.

I still stand by this:

Bill & Ted traveled time, conquered death, met aliens and God itself, and defeated their own ego — all with the simple commandments of Be Excellent To Yourself and Be Excellent To Each Other.

No other organized religion has delivered as much. https://t.co/B8HKTJaWc8

— Chris Barrus (@quartzcity) May 9, 2018

bogus journey is really really really really crazy and really GOES FOR IT in a way few movies especially sequels would.

yeah it is flat out insane. the first movie had them time travelling around hanging out with historical figures, so how do they top that? any other time travelling franchise would just relocate their adventures. instead they kill them in the first half hour and have them traverse life and death and the supernatural space in between. they possess their parents, they haunt a seance, they quote Poison lyrics to God, they beat Death at Twister and later have him join their band, etc. just non stop insanity

I'm so good with people doing the thing they got famous for in their youth when they are old. It's cool to see people old.

For some reason this immediately made me think of when I saw the 50-year-old Jesus and Mary Chain play and indeed they were great

one thing that’s kinda interesting to me about bill and ted is that i’d struggle to tell you much about what differentiates them from each other as characters but yet they don’t feel underwritten - they’re this kinda unique friendship gestalt where they’re so in sync that they’re essentially one character

and that character’s name

is

WYLD STALLIONS

*air guitar*

indeed a big part of the appeal is the two leads, their chemistry. it is a pair of best friends, a bromance for the ages. they talk about this in the Totally Non Bogus Disc interviews, how when they casted the first one they saw the actors in line at a fast food place and thought "These people should be Bill & Ted" because they just looked like two Cali best friends hanging out together. it is a very cute & wholesome relationship that avoids being twee even with Keanu tilting his moppey head like a puppy. this friendship is super important, it anchors the films while the most insane shit - time travel, life and death - is going on around them.

i’d struggle to tell you much about what differentiates them from each other as characters

Well, Ted did take Bill's stepmom Missy to prom . . .

Bill is the "smart" one, Ted is the gregarious one. I think.

Step Brothers had a pretty similar vibe. it didn't really register how strange that was until a while after

in theory a B&T III could be great. I'm just kind of jaded by all the terrible fan service reboots that are out there right now though and it's hard for me to believe this will possess any of the creative spirit that made Bogus Journey a genuinely good sequel.

Like I can already picture this:

Bad guy: Use the Slipknot on them.
B&T: Excellent!
Bad guy: Hang them.
B&T Bogus!

However if they have a So-crates-like encounter with Karl Marx that would redeem it for me

Freaked is great and I'm happy to hijack this thread in the service of reemphasizing that point.

Alex Winter talked about Bill & Ted 3 in his Film Threat interview about Freaked (ca. 1992). It involved one of them being shrunk and deposited into the brain of the other in order to make him less of a dumbfuck. Or fuck-up. Can't remember the exact quote.

I'm just kind of jaded by all the terrible fan service reboots that are out there right now though and it's hard for me to believe this will possess any of the creative spirit that made Bogus Journey a genuinely good sequel.