in many respects she's become a shorthand for vapid and idle decadence in the way that paris hilton was a little earlier, an instance of this very common move on the left and right alike of locating 'everything that's wrong with the world today' in a particularly feminine-coded form of self-definition under consumer society, as if picking on individual women and girls is the way to combat what's wrong with consumer capitalism― Merdeyeux, Monday, 6 July 2015 21:33Bookmark Flag Post
Possibly this is true. I can't say I've ever heard anyone relay this statement. I do think that there are many ways that people talk about what's wrong with consumer capitalism all the time, even in mainstream press, in which they don't mention celebrity culture. I doubt anyone is blaming the privatisation of the nhs on this woman in any print media, but then I am willing to accept I might be completely wrong. I think it's totally valid to be critical of the ways celebrity culture celebrates consumption and wealth as forms of social validation. And the ways that social media intensifies the porousness between everyday life and this spectacle. I think in part saying you have nothing to do with this entrepreneur is partly a rejection that ones eyeballs can be simply assumed as an asset of this particular shell company.
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 06:35 (eight years ago) link
there are loads of celebrities who do what Kim K does -- reality shows, clothing lines, profiting off of fame in general -- for decades and nobody blinks because they had a hit movie or song one time or brief success in sports or modelling or something. i think people are still invested in the whole 'meritocracy' idea of pop culture and that you have to have done something great once or twice before you can do all the stuff she's done and the 'socialite --> sex tape' etc hard she had is not honorable. i guess i get it, but at the same time being OFFENDED at her fame seems to require a large unexamined amount of credulity and reverence for every other goofball who ever wound up famous.
the thing where people who'd never ever say they think that a woman derives her worth from her husband have suddenly become steadfast admirers of Kim K in the last 3 years, that's kinda funny to me, though.
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:45 (eight years ago) link
the 'socialite --> sex tape' etc hard she had is not honorable
i meant to say 'arc' instead of 'hard' lol how unfortunate
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:47 (eight years ago) link
lotta men itt
― max, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 11:53 (eight years ago) link
thanks for your opinions MEN
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:00 (eight years ago) link
Always makes me laugh when people drop this into threads like some kind of thermonuclear truth bomb, when the use of pseudonyms means that 90 percent of the time I have no idea what the race, gender, or anything else of any given poster is. Just words on a screen, you know?
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:06 (eight years ago) link
really enjoyed this explorative discussion - we should have more threads in this format
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:12 (eight years ago) link
just words on a screen
― max, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:13 (eight years ago) link
I spent a good year or so thinking she was a Star Trek character.
― the joke should be over once the kid is eaten. (chap), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:15 (eight years ago) link
I'm kinda unsure about her beginnings was she well known for playboy first, sex tape first, TV show first?
― irl lol (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:20 (eight years ago) link
this thread is the first time i've heard of her - i shun the common man's trough, twitter, instagram, google etc
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:23 (eight years ago) link
it's almost like people are animals with a herd mentality.
are they really people or are they "goat people"? that's what i call them.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:24 (eight years ago) link
that sex tape being "news" was very strange as i recall since i had heard of neither of the participants before. it's like they sprang fully formed as celebrities for the purposes of that news cycle.
― ryan, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:25 (eight years ago) link
she was in Paris Hilton's crew initially
then the sex tape, then everything else
― Number None, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:30 (eight years ago) link
I'm still surprised that there was a guy named Ray J. Three (brief) threads about the dude and posts going back to 2001.
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:53 (eight years ago) link
he had three top 40 hits before the sex tape, and had been on a few sitcoms. not exactly a superstar but he had been around.
― some dude, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:55 (eight years ago) link
He's also Brandy's little brother.
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 12:58 (eight years ago) link
he was on Moesha!
also he could live reasonably well off of his proceeds from the ongoing sextape sales
― Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 13:56 (eight years ago) link
Calling women "stupid" when they're famous for being pretty or into fashion etc. is an ancient practice.
When a newspaper columnist calls reality show women "stupid", the intent is to make women who may resemble them feel guilty for being so shallow. There is plenty of feminist literature on the shaming of pop culture, you should know better, ilx. Britney Spears, anyone?
― Fake Sam's Club Membership (I M Losted), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:04 (eight years ago) link
don't tar us all with the same brush. much of this community is made up of dynamic, enlightened individuals.
― bureau belfast model (LocalGarda), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:11 (eight years ago) link
I don't think anybody in this thread has called her "stupid". I think most people here would agree that she's most likely pretty smart.
― silverfish, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:13 (eight years ago) link
And still men speak.
― holger sharkey (Tom D.), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:16 (eight years ago) link
I'm a man, baby! Just try and keep me out of this thread!!
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:28 (eight years ago) link
how is this thread real
― nose, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:34 (eight years ago) link
My favorite thing about her was that Old Navy commercial drama, where Old Navy used a Kim K. lookalike, and then Kim sued them for millions of dollars for doing so, somehow settling out of court. THEN the lookalike started dating Reggie Bush, one of Kim's ex-boyfriends!! WOW!
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:37 (eight years ago) link
saying Old Navy used a Kim K. lookalike is kinda unfair https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Molinaro
― example (crüt), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
I hadn't seen anyone post about Kim Kardashian on facebook in a while, but this crossed my fb today from a retired relative. It's always the retirees for me. Do you guys experience a similar demographic or are there younger, more fresh-faced Kardashian haters out there as well?
https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11053551_10152756807356395_5052940419969469363_n.jpg?oh=89ed73f182aaffc15e947a1e82143c45&oe=5612BF34
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:42 (eight years ago) link
the general disdain for KK seems to attach to everyone/thing around her--on my FB there was a lot of grumbling from people that they'd have to be supportive of Caitlyn Jenner even though they hated her and her family so much.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link
also sampled on Burial's most well-known track
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:43 (eight years ago) link
lol that's amazing xxp
― Upright Mammal (mh), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:44 (eight years ago) link
the general disdain for KK seems to attach to everyone/thing around her
also heavy crossover with people who hate Kanye because of his ego, and post idiotic memes like this:
http://i.imgur.com/nExEtbg.jpg
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
xp: I know, right. It's come down to 50-year olds vs 35 year olds. Wait, just fact-checked that and Aniston is 46.
― how's life, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
Aniston is 46.
― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link
As indicated by the origins of this thread, it's fairly easy to ignore the extended Kardashian clan if you're not actively exposing yourself to the forms of media that celebrate their existence and you maybe just, like, check out the candy or something while in line at the grocery store. Kim K doesn't exactly enrich my life in any way but I ain't mad at her. PS I am a man.
― Turn That Pout Inside Out! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
http://img1.owned.com/media/images/2/0/1/1/20113/apparently_kanye_west_is_trying_to_become_a_comedian_540.jpg
― nose, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
keeping up with the kardashians tends to play on a loop at my gym (seriously does E! have any other shows?) so I've seen quite a bit of the show, but with no sound, so from reading only body language i have determined that Kim is the smart and sensible one.
― ryan, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
"I'm still not entirely sure who is james hetfield.."
As far as I can tell the lamest thing she's done is wear fur. I don't know her & don't really want to speculate about her worth as a human being; I know we're supposed to hate rich people but really I don't care. Maybe I'd be actively annoyed by her if I lived in southern California. I'm more inclined to direct my ire at the people who leaked her sex tape.
is it really that much of a leap to believe that the tape was leaked on purpose? esp given that she watched paris hilton turn into a major celebrity exactly the same way, this seems like...not the craziest conspiracy theory.
― iatee, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link
http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/x-files/images/f/f6/Trust_No_One_tagline.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070529000016
― j., Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link
The sex tape would never have been released unless Kardashian and Ray J both signed contracts and got paid. Everyone whose sex tape is released by a company has signed paperwork and accepted payment. There's a second Pamela Anderson tape, featuring Bret Michaels, which has never been released because neither of them wants it out there.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:09 (eight years ago) link
really? KK sued the company, right? Was that just a ruse?
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link
what usually happens is that they sue then come to an agreement (since the tape is already out there they might as well make money off of it)
― Nhex, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link
Melissa Smith, better known by her stage name Melissa Molinaro,[1]
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f6/f3/9b/f6f39b95d46824f3ae324781d99b89a9.jpg
― goole, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:30 (eight years ago) link
Am I supposed to know who the guy LOLing at Kanye is or why people know all about him, if indeed they do
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
The other thing about being famous for being famous / Kim K not having a specific industry is that it's usually people with an existing career who make it to that plane, because it costs a lot of money.
And it's different when you start from the money, because a) class except no-one ever talks about class and b) there's a different attitude to people when they're being rich with their money vs being rich with ours. People still have to buy Kanye's records, or go see Dakota Fanning's films. Kim doesn't need our attention, she could just go back to being incredibly rich, and that drives some people nuts.
Except of course she does need our attention - people who genuinely don't need it do not as a rule host reality TV shows. So there's a weird control-at-her-behest thing which leads to some ugliness. Also, sexism and.. racism? I think there's a thread around here with Lex vs DJP on whether Armenian counts as white.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link
xp it's David Bowie.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
xxp no. no one knows who he is or all about him.
― Is It Any Wonder I'm Not the (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link
(some of these Thoughts may have been mechanically recovered from previous Thoughts about Paris Hilton, but you could probably tell)
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
you guys ARE UNFORGIVEN TOOOOOOOO
― Nhex, Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:50 (eight years ago) link
only Canadians know all about him
― lil urbane (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 July 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link