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oh yeah it's good, not exactly "Scorsese-ish" tho

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 05:31 (nine years ago) link

I mean maybe Marty would be better off making movies like the Equalizer but it's hard to imagine him doing it

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 05:32 (nine years ago) link

I hate the "next _____" construction in arts criticism

Treeship, Friday, 24 July 2015 05:38 (nine years ago) link

also i don't really like scorsese. watching his movies feels like homework, like i am supposed to enjoy this spectacle of brutality but then at the end tell people it was a sobering look at the brutal nature of contemporary masculinity/america/capitalism. at least scorsese doesn't try to make you feel guilty about your enjoyment though like haneke or von trier. scorsese knows the disingenuousness of his films is his own, which might seem like faint praise but it's no small thing

Treeship, Friday, 24 July 2015 05:54 (nine years ago) link

I only like the Scorsese movies that are heavily influenced by cocaine

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 05:55 (nine years ago) link

this doesn't count Goodfellas, which is about cocaine

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 05:56 (nine years ago) link

I hate the "next _____" construction in arts criticism

― Treeship, Thursday, July 23, 2015 10:38 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

treeship do you like after hours?

difficult listening hour, Friday, 24 July 2015 06:10 (nine years ago) link

ot: i liked him on jeopardy but i hate arthur chu's "social justice thinker" beat on salon. and tbh i don't get why a guy whose area of expertise is in bodies of knowledge would choose to write about the blogosphere dramas of the day.

Mordy, Friday, 24 July 2015 13:02 (nine years ago) link

That piece calls Fuqua a younger Scorsese cognate and mounts a credible defense of the assertion. Whether you agree with it or not, it's not really a "X is the next Y" proclamation.

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 21:42 (nine years ago) link

Also it's in the third paragraph, it's not like the comparison is an attention-grabbing lede or headline shouting "SOMEONE'S COME FOR YOUR CROWN, MARTY!"

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 21:47 (nine years ago) link

lol ok dude

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:39 (nine years ago) link

he's a "younger scorsese cognate" because he makes movies about violent men with problems and he uses certain cinematographers more than once, I'm sold

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:44 (nine years ago) link

I didn't say I agreed with the case, I just said he made an actual case. I guess I didn't realize Scorsese was so untouchable that you couldn't compare other filmmakers to him in one paragraph in a standard-issue review.

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:51 (nine years ago) link

Also, it's one paragraph, not an article. And the paragraph basically says that he's not as a good as Scorsese.

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

you said it was credible

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

he also implies that he's not as good as Scorsese because of racism

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:53 (nine years ago) link

One paragraph saying he's a Scorsese cognate is more credible than your post saying there's a whole article calling him the 21st century Scorsese

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:56 (nine years ago) link

I'm not very credible, I admit

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:57 (nine years ago) link

but you're right, the article with the dumb challop doesn't put it in the headline

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 22:59 (nine years ago) link

Honestly I'm totally neutral on Fuqua, I'm just saying that when I actually read the article all I found was one paragraph making some standard comparisons between directors saying that black filmmakers maybe aren't given the opportunity to develop to their full capacity in hollywood

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:00 (nine years ago) link

"And saying" i mean. Sorry about the typo

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:01 (nine years ago) link

I meant credible as in "possible to believe," not "definitely true." Maybe that was misuse on my part, though.

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:04 (nine years ago) link

I guess I probably don't revert Scorsese enough, because that seemed like "filmmaker is similar to other filmmaker," not really a challop

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:06 (nine years ago) link

Revere, not revert

intheblanks, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:07 (nine years ago) link

but they're not similar. It's really silly.

Tony Scott would be a reasonable comparison.

Matt Armstrong, Friday, 24 July 2015 23:12 (nine years ago) link

this is the article that broke the camel's back for me: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/10_seinfeld_episodes_that_are_racist_and_sexist_in_retrospect_partner/

half-hearted indignation for the sake of it

NI, Saturday, 25 July 2015 13:44 (nine years ago) link

although clicking through to the source (alternet) did reveal the best below the line comment ive ever seen:

beechnut79 • 13 hours ago
Not only that, but many of the popular songs from bygone days would be considered sexist today, including "Poetry in Motion", which was a number one hit in late 1960. There isn't a thing suggestive in this; a young man likens the love of his life to poetry. But the politically correct crowd would probably make sure, even so, that it wouldn't get much if any airplay in these times. A classic example of how political correctness has gotten out of hand.

NI, Saturday, 25 July 2015 13:44 (nine years ago) link

Seinfeld deals with the issue of interracial dating without having any of the characters date an actual person of color.

Yes, that's the joke.

Aside from being a super awkward episode, it insinuates that you can’t be racist if you can prove you have one black friend.

Yes, that's the joke.

In this episode Seinfeld fetishizes Asian women without having any Asian women actually in the show.

Yes, that's the joke.

it is problematic because it reinforces the idea that identifying as gay is a phase that can be rectified with the right heterosexual.

Yes, that's the joke.

A swarm of antipathy (Re-Make/Re-Model), Saturday, 25 July 2015 14:50 (nine years ago) link

lol

j., Saturday, 25 July 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link

there is a certain kind of seinfeld fan who finds in the characters' selfish and amoral behavior an excuse for their own carelessness. it seems like seinfeld is pretty much just like these fans with his "pc police" rhetoric which is disappointing. however, none of this is really an issue with the show itself. human callousness is a fine subject for comedy, and depicting something is not the same as endorsing it. (duh) also of course these characters are "blind to their privilege" they are petty selfish schemers, that is the whole point!

Treeship, Saturday, 25 July 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link

the episodes with racial stereotypes aren't cool though

Treeship, Saturday, 25 July 2015 16:54 (nine years ago) link

and yeah, rm/rm otm that in most of this writers' examples the show is satirizing the attitudes he or she is accusing it of holding

Treeship, Saturday, 25 July 2015 16:57 (nine years ago) link

I feel like maybe the writer of that inane piece could've had a tiny amount of smoke if curb was the subject, because the excruciating cringe-comedy tone of curb makes it hard to know what's being laughed at, but in seinfeld it's p obvious that the attitudes of these characters are ridiculous and often bad, and the joke is def never on the subjects of jerry/george/elaine/kramer's dumb ways of thinking

extremely lag∞n postings voice (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:04 (nine years ago) link

and I don't even really think curb is at all ~problematic~ just harder to laugh at because it's so painful.

extremely lag∞n postings voice (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:06 (nine years ago) link

Seinfeld the show is totes racist tho

D-4(y)0 (wins), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link

I didn't read the thing but I saw the show it's well racist

D-4(y)0 (wins), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:08 (nine years ago) link

that fuqua piece is even dumber. the only movie of his that's even superficially similar to scorsese is brooklyn's finest. which, incidentally, is not a good movie, but has an amazing conversation between ethan hawke and vincent d'onofrio

also shooter is good stuff for what it is but training day is the best fuqua movie!

extremely lag∞n postings voice (slothroprhymes), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:09 (nine years ago) link

Curb at its best is far more brilliant than Seinfeld. I kind of wonder what the point is, if any, of having Larry always being accused of being racist for slight faux pas. Does he think the world is "too sensitive"? Or is it more that ppl today confuse social idiocy and cluelessness for bigotry when really they're different? Either way, someone could reasonably object to that aspect of the show I guess, although I do think the general premise of Larry always accidentally offending people to the point where they are whipped into a vicious frenzy is funny. Like the worst nightmare of those people who complain about oversensitivity while hidden safely behind an anonymous screenname on a comments section

Treeship, Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:15 (nine years ago) link

Curb your enthusiasm is even more racist than Seinfeld iirc

D-4(y)0 (wins), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link

Well it mines the loosely autobiographical character's latent racism to ambivalent ends/painful laughs

Treeship, Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:19 (nine years ago) link

Yeah maybe it's less racist than Seinfeld I'm having trouble calling any cye episodes to mind tbh

D-4(y)0 (wins), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:27 (nine years ago) link

There's one where Larry adopts a german shephard named sarge and it always barks and growls at black people leading wanda sykes to tell him he got a "racist dog" and then accusing him of training it to be racist

Treeship, Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:30 (nine years ago) link

sure and the black characters basically only exist to be involved in this kind of hilarious misunderstanding but istr there being proper Seinfeld-esque racism too

D-4(y)0 (wins), Saturday, 25 July 2015 17:33 (nine years ago) link

six months pass...

great juxtaposition

http://i.imgur.com/dM9mRy7.png

Mordy, Thursday, 4 February 2016 17:06 (eight years ago) link

three months pass...
two months pass...

Oh good:

According to sources, he discouraged staffers from writing about Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and the 2016 election, saying there were too many “anti-Trump” articles on the site. Hoffner has also established a partnership with Carrie Sheffield, a conservative commentator who runs the website Bold, which is described as a right-leaning news and commentary site "centered on personal responsibility and conscious capitalism."

Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 20:36 (eight years ago) link

conscious capitalism? is that a code word for expecting everyone engaged in the economy to seek out and learn every obscure detail of every business they deal with, every product they buy, so they can make "conscious" decisions about spending and investing? bcz that's balls.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link

And look:

http://bold.global/author/carrie-sheffield/

Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 August 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link

one year passes...

lmao wuuut? https://www.engadget.com/2018/02/13/salon-readers-choose-ads-or-crypto-mining/

rob, Thursday, 15 February 2018 20:54 (six years ago) link


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