what dumbasses in 2015 make you register to read the news...
― Nhex, Friday, 14 August 2015 04:22 (eight years ago) link
all of them iirc
― Upright Mammal (mh), Friday, 14 August 2015 07:19 (eight years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/08/13/dutch-newspaper-uses-n-word-in-headline-of-review-of-ta-nehisi-coatess-new-book/?tid=sm_tw
paging our european friends to chime in with some bullshit
― j., Friday, 14 August 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link
Our European friends generally consider Holland to be really fucked up in this matter.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 August 2015 15:11 (eight years ago) link
but hey man, what about rappers saying the n-word
― 2011’s flagrantly ceremonious rock-opera (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 14 August 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
CHECKMATE
Wow http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-chicago-katrina-financial-disaster-landrieu-new-orleans-mcqueary-emanuel-pers-20150813-column.html
― where the sterls have no name (s.clover), Thursday, August 13, 2015 8:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, saw this. She can DIA(Chicago)F as far as I'm concerned. That would truly be a benefit flowing from a crisis.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
I recently moved to a French village (b/c lol @ Paris rents) and have had two encounters already with neighbors making racist remarks, out of nowhere.
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 14 August 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link
directed at you or just in the course of conversation
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 15:45 (eight years ago) link
no not at me, I'm just an american as far as they're concerned (which is a nice feeling fwiw, I'm latino). one was directed at Roma, the other at African immigrants.
― droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 14 August 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link
Meanwhile, ongoing coziness with Clinton. I'm still not buying the explanations of the Sanders protests
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-black-lives-matter_55cbbfebe4b064d5910a6f0b
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 15:53 (eight years ago) link
which explanation do you favor idgi
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link
I know it's a decentralized movement, but a TFA exec wants to pull Sanders further left?
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link
And meanwhile it's all simpatico with Hillary?
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link
so you think this is some Clinton ratfucking? If so, Sanders seems to have outmaneuvered them p handily and quickly
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
Bear in mind that this is mostly being viewed through a broadly pro-Clinton media lens that oversimplifies the complexities of the movement, overstates its hostility to Sanders and can't be trusted in reporting its relationship with the Hillary camp. I've not seen any great warmth towards Clinton so far.
― I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2015 16:34 (eight years ago) link
well from that huffpo link it seems that perhaps Clinton's security are just a bit better at preventing the protesters from getting on stage.
― corbyn's gallus (jim in glasgow), Friday, 14 August 2015 16:40 (eight years ago) link
"broadly pro-Clinton media"
Ha ha, welcome to Earth. We'll wait while you catch up.
― the top man in the language department (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 14 August 2015 16:43 (eight years ago) link
Do you think the Democrat-leaning, centrist news sources 'calling Sanders out' are looking for a more radical candidate?
― I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2015 16:52 (eight years ago) link
the Democrat-leaning, centrist news sources
have no idea what you're referring to here tbh
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 17:08 (eight years ago) link
Huffington Post, Slate, Salon, MSNBC, etc
― I wear my Redditor loathing with pride (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2015 17:16 (eight years ago) link
Is there anything recent the current admin is doing to address the issue? Genuinely asking, all I can find is the task force and the report that was published in May.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 August 2015 17:18 (eight years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Friday, August 14, 2015 11:28 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I don't know. It was my first suspicion after netroots, but then I couldn't immediately find anything to back it up. But Doug Henwood has been posting some stuff lately about some key BLM people having ties to Clinton, but they're not necessarily the strongest ties, and also it's perfectly possible that BLM is just politically diverse.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 18:39 (eight years ago) link
... Or maybe the Clintons have historically been popular among black Americans, which doesn't automatically make them lap dogs who are jumping to do her bidding? I mean ffs
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2015 18:44 (eight years ago) link
I didn't call anyone lap dogs.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 18:47 (eight years ago) link
Why would your first suspicion after Netroots be "Clinton must have set them"?
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2015 18:53 (eight years ago) link
The right isn't the only side that can dog-whistle, you know.
Given the Clinton legacy of the Sister Souljah moment, abolishing AFDC, helping to create an economic bubble that paved the way for a crash, the notorious crime bill with its mandatory sentences, and the tonedeaf (partic in Bill's case) nature of some remarks on Obama in '08, their historic popularity among black Americans just makes me scratch my head.
― skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:01 (eight years ago) link
Votes for Democrat = votes for Clintons
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:07 (eight years ago) link
their historic popularity among black Americans just makes me scratch my head
is Hillary as popular w black Americans as Bill? that would be kinda surprising to me. always felt Bubba's popularity w black America had a lot to do with his personality than his policy. And Hillary is a personality-vacuum by contrast.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 19:18 (eight years ago) link
a lot MORE to do
that should say
His popularity with black people is not more surprising than his popularity with anyone else. He's a great politician.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:33 (eight years ago) link
I didn't say Bill's popularity was surprising
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 19:41 (eight years ago) link
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, August 14, 2015 2:53 PM (45 minutes ago)
hurting wasn't dog-whistling
the clintons being popular with black americans shouldn't necessarily excuse BLM's leadership from challenging them! if anything, according to the tactics as laid out by the woman's FB post you linked (which i agree with btw), hillary should be even more appealing!
that said i'm not really buying the conspiracy. if occupy/tea party/other grassroots movements have taught us anything BLM is a heterogenous group made up of people with different goals, so there are bound to be contradictions
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:45 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/06/24/hillary-clintons-all-lives-matter-remark-stirs-backlash/http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matterhttps://twitter.com/deray/status/613679311778877440
how short are all of your memories
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:53 (eight years ago) link
what do you mean "all"
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 19:56 (eight years ago) link
I mean "all of the people saying that no one affiliated with BLM is challenging/has challenged Clinton"
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
if occupy/tea party/other grassroots movements have taught us anything BLM is a heterogenous group made up of people with different goals, so there are bound to be contradictions
Yes which is kind of frustrating when you read and article on a single person's actions and it is tied to an entire movement.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 14 August 2015 19:59 (eight years ago) link
HRC can say something one day and say something else the next day, my mind will not explode from that contradiction.
right, some people on twitter were upset by that (xxxp). i think hurting's point is that the relationship with sanders has been a bit more directly adversarial. but again, with these sorts of things, it's foolish to ascribe the actions of some people with the movement as a whole and the people they represent
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:01 (eight years ago) link
fuck hurting and fuck you
― e-bouquet (mattresslessness), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:02 (eight years ago) link
mwah
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:04 (eight years ago) link
i wasn't even agreeing with hurting you mercurial dipshit
― usic ally (k3vin k.), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
the relationship with sanders has been a bit more directly adversarial
nah I think this can be ascribed entirely to the differing scope and powers of Sanders and Clinton's campaign. Sanders didn't have the security detail, the big team of handlers, etc. so BLM activists had an easier time gaining visibility and being genuinely disruptive
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 20:05 (eight years ago) link
campaigns even
Honestly you guys are talking to/about me like I came in her and posted "#alllivesmatter." I agree with BLM's message and generally tactics, I just think that the disruptions of Sanders' speeches were either (A) a tactical mistake or (B) a deliberate attempt to deflate Sanders, and I sincerely hope it's just "A". I think I am capable of and entitled to think that without it meaning that I somehow have a condescending attitude toward all black activism which is what I feel like you are getting at. I know that the people who disrupted the speeches don't necessarily represent the movement as a whole, I know its national structure is on the looser side, less so than occupy but still loose. If you think these events have worked out great for everyone, fine. The fact that it at least got candidates to talk about black people is a fair point. I just think that outside the ILX bubble of people who are mostly left in pretty much the same way, there are a lot of people who are sort of borderline and could be reached but are not going to react well to their precariously leading candidate being "targeted" in a way that makes it seem as though he's seen as the problem, when he does, ultimately, have a platform that is closer to BLM's agenda than any other candidate, even if it didn't openly frame things in terms of race until very recently. Just like I think those people aren't going to react well to being labeled white supremacist, even though I know what the activists meant by that.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:53 (eight years ago) link
I just think that the disruptions of Sanders' speeches were either (A) a tactical mistake
How was that a tactical mistake? They got a candidate who's getting a lot of coverage and who was not previously all that committed to their goals to hire one of their own and start explicitly addressing the issue. This is p much the ideal outcome of such tactics.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 14 August 2015 20:57 (eight years ago) link
But it angered some white people, ergo it was a mistake.
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:58 (eight years ago) link
right now man alive, you might as well go ahead and post #alllivesmatter because that is the functional equivalent of the position you are arguing from
― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Friday, 14 August 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
I guess I need to see a more detailed breakdown of his before/after platform, because I thought he was already committed to things like criminal justice reform that overlapped heavily with their goals.
― five six and (man alive), Friday, 14 August 2015 21:01 (eight years ago) link