Guitar Hero: Nu-Who Season 9

last week I watched this on BBCAmerica for maybe the first time as first run and the video quality looked horrible; this week I went back to torrenting it early from the UK and it looked much better. Anyone else notice this?

I've seen people trying to work out if Clara in the Witch's Familiar had less control over what was being said through the dalek she was wearing than when she was first introduced as the not-consciously dalek in Asylum of The Daleks.

I don't think I'd seen the same idea that any idea of individuality was actually filtered out by the interface with the exo-skeleton. Which might indicate that there was more individuality and independence existent in individual daleks just niot getting out because their only means of expression was expressed by that interface.
Not watched Asylum of the Daleks in a while so not sure how much of that was the inner consciousness of a girl who had been transferred into a dalek and how much she was trying to express, or indeed how much was being expressed through the dalek. Or what it came out as.

last week I watched this on BBCAmerica for maybe the first time as first run and the video quality looked horrible; this week I went back to torrenting it early from the UK and it looked much better. Anyone else notice this?

― akm, Sunday, September 27, 2015 3:42 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think this has to do with PAL v NTSC and the way HD transfers. Could be wrong though.

Wait, if it's shown repeatedly that these Daleks can fly and get on with their own bizarre, why would be NB attached form underground matter? Couldn't they just, you know, fly away?

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Wait, if it's shown repeatedly that the Daleks can fly and get on with their own bizness, why would being attacked from underground matter - can't they just fly away?

Yeah I thought that was a decent idea in principle but quite poorly realised - some mud comes out of some vents, then the Daleks all start spazzing out.

All in all a good episode though, even did a half decent job of convincing me that Dave Ross' motives were pure.

The snake man is a silly character, though I guess Doctor Who does have a proud tradition of unrealistic looking serpents.

The Daleks can fly, but presumably they need to get into the open first of all. In a low ceiling-ed room there's no where to escape, as it'll just fill up with goo.

Obviously many of them escaped and are presumably plotting something with Missy

I think Missy is my favourite ever Master incarnation.

i don't quite get why sludge undead daleks were so mad

I guess Daleks are always angry, and they had had no outlet for it since loosing their murder shells?

i don't get why they're attacking the other daleks though. pissed they were relegated to the sewer?

I think mostly it's just funny to watch them overflowing with goo and then exploding.

Wanted more! The exploding Dalek is the best bit in the 50th episode.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/7d4cb891984b2bdfcb234ca174bb18ff/tumblr_mwuy94VD3s1qbypg1o1_500.gif

we need a capaldi deal with it sunglasses gif

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2015/sep/28/slipknots-corey-taylor-supplies-monster-scream-to-this-weeks-doctor-who

Viewers in their millions deserted Doctor Who as it returned to BBC One for a new series, according to overnight figures.

― Cosmic Slop, Monday, September 21, 2015 1:35 AM (1 week ago)

Aw, dammit. NO MORE SEXY DOCTORS

― I Am Curious (Dolezal) (DJP), Monday, September 21, 2015 2:01 AM (1 week ago)

bound to be if ratings dont pick up

― Cosmic Slop, Monday, September 21, 2015 2:04 AM (1 week ago)

On finals, this turned out to be .4 million down on last series' average, be the fourth-highest BBC programme for the entire week, place somewhere from 11th to 13th most-watched programme in the entire country for the week, and get an additional 1.3 million on iPlayer that isn't counted by BARB.

Cosmic Slop is thus saying that the BBC would sack Capaldi midstream and pay him out of the next year of his contract because this show was only the 11th-highest-rated show of the week. If you have a look at how many of the 12th-to-400th top programmes of the week routinely fire their sole recurring leads for, effectively, not being live competition shows and choosing their own airtime, you can probably put any future ratings handwringing ITT in perspective before it happens.

lol

whew i was worried

Rugby World Cup biting into the figures somewhat as well, I'd guess. Just on social media, I'm noticing otherwise-sane people professing to enjoy it, while sitting here being slowly traumatised by the animated advert of giant, silent England rugby players* walking through a town.

*If these were the RTD years, you could virtually guarantee that giant, silent rugby players FROM SPACE would be the Aliums of the Week.

I still agree with DJP

my comment really should be read as more of a truism than anything else

sexy Doctors ruin everything

i like all the doctors in nu-who tbh. Its shitty stories ruin everything

but yeah capaldi is my fave now

Moffat should've persisted with the nu-Daleks. Everyone may predictably and boringly think they look stupid but bearing in mind this ep actually bothered to include the utterly rubbish-looking Battle/Special Weapons Dalek in a few shots I think a better excuse for this backdown is required (a Dalek civil war between them and all the rest might be fun).

Aw I like the special weapons Dalek.

Special Weapons Dalek rules, and is utterly terrifying in the novel

there are p much always Dalek Civil Wars going on

This was fun. For a second I thought they would do more with the Clara Dalek, possibly leaving her to be trapped and rescued by the Doctor at another time (was that a 11th Doctor story?) but I guess it would make him look a bit stupid and we can't have that.

Davros really worked those acting chops. If the Daleks ever get tired of exterminating he should go in for line reads.

Part 2 redeemed part 1, particularly with all of the Doctor/Davros double-crossing and Clara getting stuck in a Dalek

Also... Clara seems better suited to be paired with Missy than either incarnation of the Doctor that she's traveled with; I would watch so much of their bickering/attempts to kill each other

Very nearly as good as Jo Grant having to team up with Missy after he tries to kill her, the viewer also knowing that the next double-cross can only be an episode away

The Dalek Interface was fantastic, more Grant Morrison than Geoff Johns - a brilliant idea that you'd imagine the regular staff would grumble about having to fit in next time.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/entries/953c5b1f-3cc8-4db9-8184-f1b6567260f1
Spin off to be filmed next year. Set in Coal Hill school, so i'm wondering if this si the class that we've already met.
Also just occurring to me that since Clara is teaching there she might just be moving onto this, don't know though. NOt exactly going to be sad to see her go anyway.

The Dalek Interface was fantastic, more Grant Morrison than Geoff Johns

is this a Titan comic or...?

I'm assuming that dalek interface is either the suit/casing filtering what can be said by the individual dalek or the wiring going straight into the lobes. Is the latter the cause of the former? Not having direct input from all parts of the brain? &having what input was coming filtering through the parts directly connected to?
I can't remember the supposed layout of the brain as to movement, creativity, language etc or is that getting too close to phrenology.

Anyway people on other lists were wondering if there had been a change in the interface since Clara's first appearance in Asylum of the Daleks. Was the souffle bit totally internal or something she was able to express through the suit.
Does the Witch's Familiar allow for more of an intermal dalek life than just thinking of hate and extermination. Though long term wear would probably lead to very blinkered/brainwashed thought. As would coming from the culture.
How does the nature vs nurture argument work with dalek upbringing?

Maybe the spinoff will feature Martha, the Coal Hill student who appeared in a few episodes last season? I thought she was pretty cool, was disappointed we didn't see her after "Kill the Moon".

Courtney was the student.

I noticed that Clara was encased in the only non-glowy Dalek, and the camera lingered on the non-glow very pointedly. Still, she could've had a dose of Dalek cooties to become what Missy called 'the enemy inside the friend'. We shall see.

I think its her class that's in the Woods with the Doctor in that episode where the trees pop up over night so that is the same class I was referring to. I don't think much is known at the moment beyond that.
Other than writer is Philip Ness and it's supposed to9 fit a niche about halfway between Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood.

From Radio Times, which I'm assumimng is still a pretty central if not the immediate source
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2015-10-01/11-questions-and-some-answers-about-doctor-who-spin-off-class

That wasn't Courtney's class; IIRC those kids were several years younger.

Right, haven't rewatched it yet.
THought they had established a class. Possibly the one that Clara mainly taught.
Since it doesn't film until next year it may be more likely that it would bea younger class. But not sure what they're thinking.
Author is normally Young Adult, but programme might want to have the possibility of following a certain bunch of kids over a longer period? Obviously if it merely covers pupils from a school it could be covering several forms, though the singular class of the title might make that unlikely.
Things will be revealed next year I guess.

Meanwhile I might get around to watching that episode again.

assuming that dalek interface is either the suit/casing filtering what can be said by the individual dalek or the wiring going straight into the lobes

Can't see that either of these would be a problem for "the regular staff" to fit in next time: propsmasters didn't even have the lobe thingies showing in the "same" (obv a different casing) Dalek when Missy fished the Kaled/clone out, and Briggs has done every Dalek voice in nu-Who already, including Clara and Oswin, so if there's any internal conflict to try and act, it'd be the same process as here. AFAIK he even goes to the readthroughs - he's talked about getting recognised by supernerd Capaldi at their first meeting.

If Andrew wasn't talking about a comic idg the Johns comparison though - we saw Davros with his arm ripped off!

What does Briggs voicing have to do with the clear point being made that Clara cannot express certain things through the Dalek suit? Any show of individuality for one thing. She is quite clearly shown saying I'm Clara or whatever the phrasing she uses is and it coming out as 'I am A Dalek.'
That is the point that people who watched the show The Witch's Familiar have been making. & it's to what extent the external casing of a dalek prohibits any show of individuality or emotion other than hate. & I know a lot of people noted that because they said so.

So there is no relevance whatsoever to whether Capaldi recognises the actor doing dalek voices. The dalek voice is unlikely to be used to say any of that stuff since the dalek module edits that out subsequently its not going to be in the script he is reading.

Did you watch the show?

Also going back to what you said last week, what Hartnell says to Ian Chesterton about the relationship between the outside of the Tardis and the inside is a very vague metaphor. It's basic technobabble not any kind of explanation.
The Tardis developed massively over the Classic era it also changed pretty heavily, the console room changes pretty randomly and what's beyond that isn't defined.

a niche about halfway between Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood.

Those are quite some distance apart.

a niche about halfway between Sarah Jane Adventures and Torchwood.

This would be occupied by a programme called Doctor Who.

I think the source of that comment says something similar.
Could just be that Dr Who isn't broadcast all the time during the year.
Also that there is possibly more scope for a writer to develop new characters. There's an article talking more about the school that I haven't read yet. Might say more there. Think the link's from that 11 questions RT thing.

What does Briggs voicing have to do with the clear point being made that Clara cannot express certain things through the Dalek suit?

Clara is a fictional character; Briggs is a freelance actor, but the most regular one the show has employed*. Clara, being fictional is not part of "the regular staff." Briggs is not formal "staff," but at least as regular as the props and design people who work from one Dalek story to the next.

Any show of individuality for one thing. She is quite clearly shown saying I'm Clara or whatever the phrasing she uses is and it coming out as 'I am A Dalek.'

It's true, this is something that happened in a fictional TV show. It doesn't relate to whether the crew would include two wires in a prop the next time an equivalent prop appears, which is what you were theorising.

That is the point that people who watched the show The Witch's Familiar have been making. & it's to what extent the external casing of a dalek prohibits any show of individuality or emotion other than hate. & I know a lot of people noted that because they said so.

This is about the fourth time you have brought up vague references to things people on other parts of the internet are theorising about what made-up hatemonsters inside war tanks might personally feel inside their war tanks. Which is obviously a fun thing to do if one is into that, but you telling us over and over again that some other people are wondering it and you know they are because they said so a) doesn't have much more effect that saying it once, and b) is completely irrelevant to whether or not the regular staff on the show will include two wires in a prop next time, or the actor voicing the war tanks will struggle to include resultant angst in his performance.

(NB we still dunno what Andrew actually meant! These two are just your surmises.)

I also referenced the only internal monologue of a Dalek I can remember upthread btw - Aaronovitch's novelisation of Remembrance.

So there is no relevance whatsoever to whether Capaldi recognises the actor doing dalek voices.

It was only speaking to Briggs' possible honorary claim to being part of "the regular staff," and being a really cute fact.

The dalek voice is unlikely to be used to say any of that stuff since the dalek module edits that out subsequently its not going to be in the script he is reading.

Okay, so you've eliminated that from one of your two suggestions as to what The Dalek Interface might be, and are now just going with the two lobey wires. Andrew could probably pop back sometime and just say what he meant, though!

Did you watch the show?

Three times!

Also going back to what you said last week, what Hartnell says to Ian Chesterton about the relationship between the outside of the Tardis and the inside is a very vague metaphor. It's basic technobabble not any kind of explanation.

..............you're getting there!

The Tardis developed massively over the Classic era it also changed pretty heavily, the console room changes pretty randomly and what's beyond that isn't defined.

You're really getting there!

(The TARDIS is COMPLETELY MADE UP AND IMAGINARY AND IMPOSSIBLE. As you note, what it can do changes all the time depending on the writer, so there cannot be any rules or graphs or schematics. A charming metaphor about television is the best and only explanation there can ever be.)

you two need a tv show

Haha yes or at least a podcast please.

I thought it was long since established that dalek emotions were genetically engineered out, which would mean the casing isn't doing any filtering exactly, but that it's just not up to the task of conveying anything outside what daleks are able to think/feel in the first place.