Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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neolab black ops unit steps things up but taking Michael Meacher :(

That's a shame. Always wondered what might have happened if he had not launched that ridiculous libel action in 1984.

michael meacher was apparently nearly the token left wing candidate instead of corbyn, now he'll jave to make do with a nice evening out

he's dead

oh! inopportune moment for me to get the wrong end of the stick

Murdered

... uh, no, he wasn't.

No he was not.

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No fashion critic but hey I know what I like.

This is beautiful:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11945164/By-hiring-Seumas-Milne-Jeremy-Corbyn-shows-his-utter-contempt-for-real-Labour-voters.html

real Labour voters, are more likely to read Richard Littlejohn than open up a Twitter account.

So they won't know who Milne is? What's the harm.

Tom Harris is a former Labour MP and now runs his own lobbying company. drummer for gay dad.

these real labour voters are surely from wigan

its #rockism I tells ya!

as a real Labour voter and the son of real Labour voters i can categorically say none of us wd spit on Littlejohn if he was on fire

tbf my mom and dad don't have Twitter accounts tho as far as i know

You've all been in the Army though at some point, am I right?

only my dad and he really didn't want to

there's a non-trivial point that Tom Harris is a ridiculous lying wanker pretending he's never heard of the pacifist, republican working class who have been "real Labour" since before Labour existed to open it's doors to scum like him

So, let me get this: Tom Harris is a former Labour MP who now writes for the Telegraph. One thing cancels out the other, right? With knobs on, right?

There is a hilarious piece on the Indepedent about this from some MP. Mention Iraq and the attack starts falling apart.

Tom Harris managed to turn a 12,000 Labour majority into a 12,000 SNP majority at the last election so is obviously well placed to talk about electoral catastrophes.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/oct/22/fitness-to-work-assessments-are-brutal-says-daughter-of-man-who-killed-himself

Loving the silence from The Guardian over Milne btw. Bet they are gagging to get another useless MP to write in Comment is Free.

The problem is there are almost no sympathetic titles: Daily Record, Mirror?

yeah the record had an article the other day p much saying that the 21 labour mps who rebelled re the fiscal charter had betrayed labour voters

xp Don't worry, there's always Newsnight. Ridiculous Milne shoe-horning by Kirsty Wark last night in an environmental/China interview with Lisa Nandy, who said she hadn't read the articles KW was quoting single sentences from, so couldn't make any useful comment.

I have read the articles they were quoting and I don't think it unreasonable to say Western foreign policy choices before 9/11 had something to do with why that particular attack happened (people on ILX were saying as much) or that what happened to Lee Rigby was terrifying, but not actually terrorism (his killers were mentally ill AFAICT).

Not going to defend Milne, but I would be surprised if he ends up in prison like Cameron's pet prole did.

Lee Rigby was a brutal murder not terrorism, yes. Like Corbyn and his quote on Bin Laden I am sure plenty can be distorted. No amount of skillful amount of expert Canadian or Aussie spin doctoring is going to soften it.

I have only read some Milne but I think I get the drill of where ILX is coming from. Smug-ish writer, member of far left who has probably said a few questionable things but mostly stuff that most people on here would meet with half-way?

Campbell had a low-ish profile didn't he? Look at how that turned out. xp

Basically they shouldn't let him talk about foreign policy at all, which is going to be quite tricky. Actually he should pretty much keep his mouth shut full stop - his job will be to define strategy, not do to rank and file spin-doctoring. Campbell was a scumbag but you have to admit he was very good at his job, until he went off the rails.

What's the perception of Corbyn in Scotland right now? My (very limited and nuance-free) understanding is of a somewhat comical volte-face from 'RED TORIES!' to 'UNELECTABLY LEFT-WING!' but that's mainly from Sturgeon. I mean obviously Corbyn can't make Scottish Labour magically not useless overnight but still you'd expect him to be at least theoretically more palatable to the electorate.

I'm not sure I personally know anyone up here whose voew on Labour has definitely changed since the election of Corbyn. Small sample though. Otherwise, as an observer with no specific party allegiances, it feels like SLab are hoping that a Corbyn bounce will do some heavy lifting for them.

From the small sample I know, the view on Labour has definitely changed since the election of Corbyn. We're talking Yes voting Labour supporters though, or non-SNP voters to be more accurate.

I thought this was interesting, I don't know if ppl here who are more familiar with Scotland + Scottish politics think it's accurate?

http://modies.blogspot.co.uk/2015/09/corbyn-and-snps-new-playbook.html

Rather, I'd assume the SNP are delighted with Corbyn's victory. I know I would be, if was in the SNP. Their genius is that they combine triangulation with Corbynite rhetoric when it suits them, which it did in the West of Scotland. They are the Blairite party par excellence in UK politics today and it is, to me anyway, utterly inconceivable that a Corbyn-lead Labour party will be a match for them. Instead, the script is going to go something like this, "We disagree with Jeremy Corbyn on some things but we're both against austerity and Trident. Look what happens to someone in England who shares these views we've been so awesomely successful with in Scotland. Look what happens to him in his own party! Just shows how very different our two nations are..."

Here's a preview. This is the line we'll get on a loop.

Nicola Sturgeon ✔ @NicolaSturgeon
If Lab can't quickly show that they have credible chance of winning UK election, many will conclude that Indy only alternative to Tory gov
12:35 PM - 12 Sep 2015
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The bloom's going to come off the SNP and Sturgeon eventually.

Who is Jeremy Corbyn? Chinese daily analyses Xi Jinping meeting with Labour leader

Cameron to Xi: "You see, he is the opposition: here. Opposition. We are here to introduce you to the queen and family and talk nice about nuclear power, and he is here to talk about human rights and steel works and so on. He's not with us, he is the opposite of us. I know, it's a bit weird, but.. "

Xi: "Can't you just run him over with a tank in Trafalgar Square?"
Cameron: "I wish!"

Xi: "So, how do you, like, interact with this guy then?"
Cameron: "Well, I call him a threat to national security and accuse him of hating Britain"
Xi: "Right, with you now."

Cameron: That guy protesting Tianmen Square and those Tibetans with signs, shall I have them arrested by Met police and get them to raid their homes for computers and whatnot?
Xi: Sure, knock yourself out.

have we discussed the guy who was hoodwinked into campaigning against 'cake' in brasseye now getting a major anti-drugs role within the govt?

Now *Sir* David Amess to you.

There is a piece on The Spectator talking about how many of Lab's Shadow Cabinet aren't from Oxbridge (the today's LOL series bought to you by twitter...yes I wish I was dead).

Before you even get to the assumption of 'being clever' here = attaining a piece of paper showing you sat down quietly and wrote stuff you were able to at a high recall rate quickly (also how so many families rig the system in their favour), there is the other mistake of not looking around at the mess we find ourselves in and saying that this was to bought to you by...people educated in Oxbridge. There are other things to say about the system we operate under and its not anyone's fault in partic, or of the value of people's experience and then their willingness to learn as they grow older...but really Corbyn's election has bought such a pile of nonsense to the table. xxp

wait, it was about how they aren't oxbridge and that was being sold as a negative thing?

i love the cake story as much as the next lazy left wing voter but is there any way it has any broader appeal, or can be made to have one

Well it had a 'let us note this shift' ambience - felt it was clearly implied as a negative. xp

i love the cake story as much as the next lazy left wing voter but is there any way it has any broader appeal, or can be made to have one

probs not but you'd think "man who has proven himself remarkably gullible in this area gets plum job at it" would be an easy point to make

In 1996, The New Tory Anti-Drug Tsar Was Asked To Talk About A Made-up Drug on Television. Here's How He Made A Fool of Himself

When your Prime Minister is a pigfucker I'm not sure what would constitute a cause for embarrassment anymore.

Before you even get to the assumption of 'being clever' here = attaining a piece of paper showing you sat down quietly and wrote stuff you were able to at a high recall rate quickly (also how so many families rig the system in their favour), there is the other mistake of not looking around at the mess we find ourselves in and saying that this was to bought to you by...people educated in Oxbridge.

Lol you can't possibly be expecting the Spectator to question the value of a public school education can you?

I'm not sure the Spectator would accept the premise that we are in a mess right now - you know, "Cameron's jobs miracle", economy powering ahead and all that guff.

spectator article does also say this:

Under Corbyn, the Labour party — once the clever party — has had a brain transplant...Let’s not be snobbish. Those universities are good. But it isn’t snobbery to point out that they aren’t as good as Oxford or Cambridge

and was written by Harry Mount, cousin of David Cameron, son Ferdinand Mount and #258 in the Tatler list

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My friend A worked on Brass Eye and said that everyone they approached to be in the Cake sketch was chosen because they voted through the Criminal Justice Bill, and as an ex-Shoom clubber he was duty bound to shank each and every one of them.

I'm not sure it's especially controversial to claim that Oxford and Cambridge are better than most of the redbricks. It IS snobbery to assume that an individual who has been to a redbrick can't be as intelligent or talented as one from Oxbridge. Especially if they're an Old Etonian who's been groomed for Oxford since birth.