Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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For a hanged man Corbyn has kept pushing the lines he was elected for. Don't see him as 'learning on the job'.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 09:25 (eight years ago) link

Was thinking there hasn't been a lot on JC's comments - I suppose because the events in Paris are pushing almost everything else to the background.

It's because most people outside Westminster, the Labour Party and the media don't actually care either way about them.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 09:48 (eight years ago) link

Well I am comparing this to the stuff on Trident/would you push the button. Agree most don't care but iirc it would be harder to avoid if you watch the news in passing.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 09:56 (eight years ago) link

UK media working hard to bring the subject round from something they don't actually care about- dead French people- to something they very much do- pouring shit over Corbyn.

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 10:54 (eight years ago) link

I certainly know that my first reaction upon hearing news of the atrocity was "hmmm, I wonder what Jeremy Corbyn thinks of this?"

Matt DC, Wednesday, 18 November 2015 11:20 (eight years ago) link

Well, John Rentoul certainly wasn't the only one.

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 18 November 2015 12:16 (eight years ago) link

http://www.politics.co.uk/news/2015/11/20/zac-goldsmith-would-scrap-all-london-s-bus-lanes

All bus lanes would be scrapped in London under plans being considered by the Conservative London mayoral candidate Zac Goldsmith.

Goldsmith told LBC's Nick Ferrari, that the rise of electric cars means that there will soon be "no point" in having bus lanes.

Only buses, cyclists and black cabs are allowed to use the lanes currently.

However, he said he would first allow electric cars to use the lanes as a perk, before scrapping them altogether.

is this total bollocks? or could electric cars become incredible cheap? i'm finding it hard to see how many more vehicles on the road is a functional solution to anything.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 20 November 2015 10:43 (eight years ago) link

*incredibly cheap

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 20 November 2015 10:43 (eight years ago) link

"no point" in having bus laneses.

Mark G, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:47 (eight years ago) link

It's not like a Tory mayoral candidate to have zero understanding of normal people's lives...

Matt DC, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:50 (eight years ago) link

Why does he think bus lanes exist, exactly? Some vague notion of pollution-busting?

stet, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:51 (eight years ago) link

I think that if I am right and I am absolutely convinced I am

I have been OTM in this manifesto

stet, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:52 (eight years ago) link

deregulate the underground and let people drive their own tube carriages to work

she used alt+3 like an ascii heart (NickB), Friday, 20 November 2015 10:53 (eight years ago) link

Who was it who said they travel on the tube "all the time", then proposed that they go sit in the buffet car/bar?

Mark G, Friday, 20 November 2015 10:55 (eight years ago) link

yeah it's strange - his theory seems to be nobody would get the bus anymore because... electric cars would make them to feel better about polluting. as if people choose the bus for environmental reasons.

deregulate the underground and let people drive their own tube carriages to work

move the bus lanes into the tube. more room for cars above ground.

doing my Objectives, handling some intense stuff (LocalGarda), Friday, 20 November 2015 10:55 (eight years ago) link

Absolutely astonishing.

Thank you, Tory toff mayoral candidate for cheering me up this morning

He should be mocked for this to the end of his days obv

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 November 2015 11:48 (eight years ago) link

Thank you, Tory toff mayoral candidate for cheering me up this morning
He should be mocked for this to the end of his days obv

Instead he'll be elected Mayor of London.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Friday, 20 November 2015 12:27 (eight years ago) link

Note from building's management today.

Counter Terrorism Awareness Week

Next Monday, 23rd November, marks the start of Counter Terrorism Awareness Week. This is an annual event that takes place across London and is not linked to recent events in Paris.

With regard to the Estate, the Police will be deploying additional resources throughout the week. These include Armed Vehicle Check Points on approach roads, increased aerial observation and high visibility patrols using foot and horse mounted officers.

The intent, here and across the Capital, is to provide reassurance and will enhance the existing security regime on the Estate.

Please be assured that these operations are not in response to recent events.

Well, thanks. That's good to know. It's certainly raised my awareness of counter-terrorism.

La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Friday, 20 November 2015 12:29 (eight years ago) link

nothing sweeter than gliding along in the bus lane past a road full of stationary cars

when's international me day? (Noodle Vague), Friday, 20 November 2015 17:27 (eight years ago) link

Twitter is going nuts bc McDonnell apparently quoted from Mao's red book and then threw it across the table at Osborne?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link

If true I think this is definitely in the 'he could make things easier for himself' category.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link

LOL:

McDonnell brandishes a copy of Mao’s Little Red Book, and he quotes from it: “We must learn to do economic work from all, no matter who they are.” He thought this advice would come in handy for Osborne, McDonnell says.

My man

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link

Seriously McDonnell should've made way more out of the Tax Credits u-turn than he appears to have. otoh he has no advance copy of this..

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link

he promised not to do that on the Marr show.

xelab, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link

He's taking the piss obviously, but a) perhaps now is not really the time, and b) either he really hadn't thought about how it might be used against him, or he went ahead and did it anyway. You have to wonder whether he bothers to run any of this stuff past Corbyn first.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link

It's probably slightly better than taking the leader of the Chinese Communist Party for a pint though.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

Well, it's one way of moving the news cycle on from labour divisions over Syria.

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link

https://youtu.be/Fm3SNk3ffoA

ogmor, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link

I think I remember (but may be mistaken) when the Guardian wasn't such a completely predictable mark.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/25/austerity-tory-milibandism-labour-capitalism

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 14:55 (eight years ago) link

Nothing wrong with being a predictable mark!

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:15 (eight years ago) link

I knew I was going to say that.

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:16 (eight years ago) link

What the fuck was he thinking?

AlanSmithee, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:17 (eight years ago) link

— Rafael Behr (@rafaelbehr)
November 25, 2015

Chris Leslie, Yvette Cooper scouring CSR small print on backbenches. Reminder that McDonnell never done rapid budget reaction. Others have

Chris + Yvette 4 Lab front bench 4 evah and evah.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:19 (eight years ago) link

And here is a Guardian video with Osborne’s best jokes.

Thanks but I'll pass.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:44 (eight years ago) link

Scouring the small print is just basic competence though, surely McDonnell thought to have someone do it?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:49 (eight years ago) link

Yeah- Chris Leslie and Yvette Cooper.

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

Sounds like a proper 'division of labour', eh readers? Ho ho ho

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:07 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/25/john-mcdonnell-mao-zedong-little-red-book-george-osborne

Former shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna said he was not sure why McDonnell had referred to Mao as a joke.

“The last politicians that I quoted, who have inspired me, are Nelson Mandela and Martin Luther King, Keir Hardie – they’re the ones I tend to quote. But that’s my choice. I haven’t quoted a communist before and I have no intention of doing so in the future,” he said.

Chuka in being as dull as dust non-shockah.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:14 (eight years ago) link

McDonnell pulled out a copy of the book to make a point about George Osborne’s relationship with the Chinese

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link

I wouldn't have done it myself, mind you.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:22 (eight years ago) link

(xxp) Keir Hardie is an inspirational figure for Chuka Umuna? Aye, right.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

It's pretty obvious by this point that Chuka is basically a moron who fancies himself as an arch-Machiavel.

A lot of usually jaunty Twitter Marxists getting angry about how everyone is focusing on this and not any of the issues of substance, which is true, but if you're a sr Labour member maybe think about that before you indulge in the sort of deliberately scene-stealing nobbish debating society Punch-and-Judy performance that Corbyn's front bench is supposed to be against.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:36 (eight years ago) link

Absolutely. If John McDonnell had concentrated on the substance, so would everyone else.

AlanSmithee, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link

Tom Watson didn't look too amused either. Maybe the tax-credit u-turn took wrong footed him and it was his plan b?

There seem to be loads of rubbish popping up on the newsfeeds predictably quoting Mao's death tolls/ruinous policies.

xelab, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:44 (eight years ago) link

Good job the Communist Party is not in charge of China anymore then.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:57 (eight years ago) link

No one in the media is going to give them a fair hearing anyway, and fuck the gamification of politics, but "hey, we've got nothing to lose so might as well take a shit on the table to stir things up" isn't a particularly sustainable way to win an argument either.

Much as I hate shouting "u-turn!" when said u-turn is patently the correct course of action, the tax credit change was a genuine victory for Corbyn and they should have just said so, again and again and again.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 17:01 (eight years ago) link

(Even if everyone else is claiming credit for it as well)

Matt DC, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 17:10 (eight years ago) link

The Guardian was giving it a big-up to Frank Field for the u-turn on tax credits. But yes its actually the energies marshalled by Corbyn and front-bench that have had a big role to play.

Also the backtrack on police cuts - while that was more due to the Paris attacks - could also have been seen as credit for Labour.

Maybe the tax-credit u-turn took wrong footed him and it was his plan b?

It was very easy to portray this as a victory for the Labour front-bench (one of a few but this is from the Budget side of things) and where they are strongest: domestic issues and dealing with questions around austerity.

Once the noise dies down I like to think McDonnell will learn from the experience and have better responses to come, even though the autumn statement is such a shambles of an occasion (austerity goes on boo-fucking-hoo isn't Osborne such a genius to do a bit less of it) I am not too bothered either way.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link


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