Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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That was a hell of an article

cardamon, Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:10 (eight years ago) link

His seat, or his cabinet position? I WANT THE FULL SCALP. xp

Stevie, find a friendly newspaper and sell that story.

voodoo rage (suzy), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:11 (eight years ago) link

Sort of more proof that people join the Tories because they're horrible people and the Tories fight the corner of horrible people

cardamon, Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:12 (eight years ago) link

^^Clarke did in fact oppose Sadiq Khan in Tooting, so if this is how he was behaving under those circs....

voodoo rage (suzy), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:13 (eight years ago) link

Suzy, I remember it too vaguely and worry too much that my mate might get in trouble! I seem to remember Clarke saying some racist shit about Khan that night too though.

I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link

Fuckin' Tories in Tooting... the 21st Century is a weird weird place...

I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:17 (eight years ago) link

Shapps hasn't quite resigned yet, it seems.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:36 (eight years ago) link

not sorry to see Shapps go but the angle that this letter from Lady Warsi contradicts his claim that he had not received any complaints about Clarke's alleged bullying and abuse seems sort of odd to me, what Warsi is complaining about in the letter seems pretty significantly different than the other shit Clarke was apparently getting up to?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/27/lady-warsi-letter-warning-tory-party-chair-grant-shapps-of-bullying-by-aide

soref, Saturday, 28 November 2015 14:51 (eight years ago) link

trick question!

a hastily-observed cruet (seandalai), Saturday, 28 November 2015 16:05 (eight years ago) link

It must have been a very strange experience to be part of that young conservative campaign group. My little meltdown upthread about how one could imagine people being bigoted against benefits claimants was ... one thing, l'm only mentioning it again by contrast to how difficult it is to imagine being a late teen/early 20s person and being fully if naively invested in the Conservative Party (as opposed to conservative ideas) in 2015.

cardamon, Sunday, 29 November 2015 00:09 (eight years ago) link

Reading this story now and this detail on YBF is just:

In 2003 Blaney founded the Young Britons’ Foundation, a conservative training, education and research thinktank established to “help train tomorrow centre-right leaders and activists today”. YBF is proudly cross-party. Its executive director, Matthew Richardson, is also the party secretary of Ukip. Blaney has called YBF “a madrasa” that radicalises rightwing conservatives and embraces American-style “attack-dog” politics. YBF claims to have trained thousands of activists, taking them on trips to America where they met neo-conservative groups and visited a shooting range in Virginia to fire submachine guns and assault rifles.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 November 2015 00:13 (eight years ago) link

Found the references to the "right wing movement" fairly chilling tbh.

Caput Johannis in Disco (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 November 2015 01:08 (eight years ago) link

yeah I was wondering "what kind of people would want to be a Young Tory?" but after that bit it struck me "aha that kind of people"

a hastily-observed cruet (seandalai), Sunday, 29 November 2015 01:26 (eight years ago) link

Logically, national security agencies like the MI5 should be monitoring extremists like this.

xelab, Sunday, 29 November 2015 01:30 (eight years ago) link

The pedantic apostrophe in Britons' is the scariest bit. These people will kill

wut

noe love derp wev (wins), Sunday, 29 November 2015 10:04 (eight years ago) link

Imago is a writer - every comma matters.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 November 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link

List of murders committed by the Writers' Guild

noe love derp wev (wins), Sunday, 29 November 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

It must have been a very strange experience to be part of that young conservative campaign group. My little meltdown upthread about how one could imagine people being bigoted against benefits claimants was ... one thing, l'm only mentioning it again by contrast to how difficult it is to imagine being a late teen/early 20s person and being fully if naively invested in the Conservative Party (as opposed to conservative ideas) in 2015.

― cardamon, Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:09 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is it, though

thwomp (thomp), Sunday, 29 November 2015 16:41 (eight years ago) link

They all seem like awful, awful people, but there are a lot of awful people about, and maybe who am I to judge?

I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Sunday, 29 November 2015 17:09 (eight years ago) link

(xp) Indeed.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Sunday, 29 November 2015 17:17 (eight years ago) link

Even when London becomes annexed by the North Sea, there will still be young tory twats. There wasn't some magic 2015 enlightenment where people could no longer be inured to the shittiness of our current government.

xelab, Sunday, 29 November 2015 18:15 (eight years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVAu-zqWIAEW_99.jpg

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:04 (eight years ago) link

"I'm not having that."

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:07 (eight years ago) link

That's bang out of order.

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:08 (eight years ago) link

my own citizens

pandemic, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:09 (eight years ago) link

are those the leadership qualities we're told corbyn lacks

lex pretend, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:13 (eight years ago) link

"I'll do time," Cameron said.

I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Monday, 30 November 2015 11:18 (eight years ago) link

I'm going to fucking do him.

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:33 (eight years ago) link

David Davis wading in - "leeeave it, he ain't worth it".

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:34 (eight years ago) link

What I've seen of Corbyn on Marr yesterday was clear with no intention of going anywhere. A lot of Blairites saying Corbyn isn't even attempting to convince but how can you do that when the shadow Cabinet are talking to the press (lol shadow cabinet sources) like there is no tomorrow?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:40 (eight years ago) link

"I'm not having that."

(xp) I bet he had his shirt sleeves rolled up when he said all that.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 11:45 (eight years ago) link

They have their shirt sleeves rolled up all the time now. That's Major's legacy.

Mark G, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:52 (eight years ago) link

Not at all, Cameron had to be schooled in the rolling up of the shirt sleeves during the election campaign.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2015 11:53 (eight years ago) link

yeah, and now it's 'now'.

Mark G, Monday, 30 November 2015 11:59 (eight years ago) link

Training briefly abandoned after he rolled a cigarette up into the sleeves and stuck a pack behind his ear.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 30 November 2015 12:08 (eight years ago) link

"with brimstone, decapitation raids are more likely to be authorised"

aside from stray use of the word decapitation in a story about bombing a terrorist group who decapitate people, can anyone decipher what this means? with this fancy tool we will allow ourselves to... do "decapitation raids"??

japanese mage (LocalGarda), Monday, 30 November 2015 12:37 (eight years ago) link

protect ya neck

nashwan, Monday, 30 November 2015 13:15 (eight years ago) link

"these Isis geezers really do me 'ead in" Cameron told aides

a hastily-observed cruet (seandalai), Monday, 30 November 2015 13:35 (eight years ago) link

Looks like Corbyn's offering a free vote on Syria. Be interesting to see how many of the MPs voting in favour also abstained on the welfare cap for reasons of 'party unity'.

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link

also keen to see how many voting for bombs are willing to give a number on how many refugees they'd welcome as a theoretical result

nashwan, Monday, 30 November 2015 14:25 (eight years ago) link

Almost certainly going to get air-strikes now. Corbyn wants a two-day debate so he is not exactly afraid of amplifying disagreements.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 November 2015 14:26 (eight years ago) link

— George Eaton (@georgeeaton)
November 30, 2015

Shadow cabinet member told me that free vote would leave Labour "unfit for government".

Why doesn't this Shadow Cabinet member resign?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 November 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link

@TristramHuntMP
Beyond excited that #StokeOnTrent is finally going to get a @PizzaExpress

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 14:59 (eight years ago) link

At this point I just want Corbyn to put himself out of his misery, watch them elect some ultra-Blairite cunt because they're the only ones allowed on the ballot, and then sit back and watch them lose anyway.

Matt DC, Monday, 30 November 2015 15:02 (eight years ago) link

Milne will shoot 'em down Matt don't worry just give him time.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 November 2015 15:05 (eight years ago) link

i've said from day one the most important thing Corbyn can do is take the party away from the hands of these vermin rather than worry about the next election, maybe this is part of his strategy to offer them enough rope

Noodle Vape (Noodle Vague), Monday, 30 November 2015 17:33 (eight years ago) link

otm, mostly important to re-orient Labour and its a long-term project (so equally important that Corbyn stays for as long as poss).

What we are seeing is a major party in anti-imperialist mode. That's significant.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 30 November 2015 17:42 (eight years ago) link


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