Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

Mr Speaker, I’ve become worried of late that we’ve lost some of that spirit.

we can get it back by dropping exploding pieces of metal on syria and murdering all who are near the place where they fall

Miliband voting no, as are Blairites Ivan Lewis and Barry Sheerman, presumably at least partly because they remember what actually happened to Blair.

man some of yr politicians are really dumb

what time do u guys vote for war?

I like my blood pressure at its current level, thanks, so I'm just following this and the graun blog, but is there a correlation between those mentioning 'conscience' and a yes vote?

How many of the people sending in 'abuse' are actually Corbyn supporters, instead of the usual comments trolls and socks from other parties?

'pinned in our forces, pinned down our forces, pinned back our forces'

'angry intolerant pacifism'

sorry to all in barrow-in-furness that this absolute garbage is the best you've got

so vast is the ocean of stupid comments in westminster today it stands to reason one of them would be about israel

Coming back to the issue of fear, I think we must have the courage to do what we think is right, irrespective of the inevitable backlash. I have faced physical threats over how I might vote on this issue. Those threats are unacceptable and do not shape my position or decision. Quite the opposite.

Is Neil Coyle saying (incoherently) that he is voting to bomb Syria out of spite for twitter trolls?

That is not what he his saying, though it's not clear if that's clear to him.

Those threats are unacceptable and do not shape my position or decision. Quite the opposite.

If they do not influence him in any way, why the fuck is he spending parliamentary time talking about it?

only 2 mps representing scottish constituencies are going to vote for the bombing and the election of one of them, alistair Carmichael, is under legal challenge

#bettertogether

All independence would do is let Scotland feel moral superiority, "there's no blood on our hands". It's times like this I'm glad we have the SNP in a UK Parliament having the courage to say no to this, even if the cynic in me questions whether its a populist move or not. To say things like this makes me uneasy, I'd rather be actively making a difference in a bigger pond.

think Cameron feels the same way

She begins to get emotional and pauses to compose herself. “When I go through the ayes lobby, it will be for the refugees and it will be for the security in Twickenham.”

:D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtSbedMeF6s

really want to make a video of non-stop bombing footage over this tune but hey i got work in the morning

Just watched a BBC reporter trying to persuade a (Syrian) representative of a charity that works in Syria of the wisdom of bombing campaign - is this what the BBC is for?

yes and always has been iirc

This morning Humphrys rudely cut off a Syrian guest on Today who was making a persuasive argument for not killing civilians.

If he'd done that to a pro-bombing Labour MP no doubt they would have made an emotional speech about it in Parliament to day.

Top 90s nostalgia from NV there.

Can we hurry with the voting I want my final Gulag list k tx bye

simon hoare: "this is not a war, it's a recalibration of an existing operation"

Labour peer Lord Rooker has strong words for the his party's front bench in the Commons, comparing the exploitation by IS of the "innate tolerance" of the UK with "the way the anti-British trots in the Labour Party are using our tolerance to get control".

"Daesh are coming for us," he says, and warns of the lessons of Munich: "If you don't fight when attacked, you lose."

Leaving his strongest words about Jeremy Corbyn until last, the former minister says:

"I'm in the terrible position of having been in Westminster since February 1974 and believing that there are members of the cabinet that I would rather have as prime minister than my own party leader - we need to get rid of him."

Send of those Brimstone things to Islington perhaps?

Salmond's glowering at Cameron when asking him to apologise earlier was quite exhilarating nay terrifying.

A lot of these MPs are the result of the moral vacuum created by successive bad regimes.

Benn invoking the children in his leadership bid right now.

LOL @ "Hollande in our sister socialist party"

Is Hilary Bomb the new Tony Bliar?

Hilary outraged that ISIS think they are better than us.

He is talking about internationalism and how Fascists need to be defeated -- so probably not.

Got masses of applause, most of them drinking blood by this point.

Expect lots of Hilary 4 leader claptrap right now on twitter and in the next few days in the press.

Invoking Hitler + El Duce = classic speech, what a bunch of degenerates.

corbyn looked v.v.uncomfortable following benn's "barnstormer". has rory stewart spoken? syria's not his area of expertise but he's frequently v.good on the middle east

Not so good on Middleland though.

How can say "Labour’s sister socialist party" with a straight face?

he

right on cue:

Dan Hodges 18 minutes ago

Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.

They were doing this with Dan Jarvis the other day.

Here I thought Corbyn's sympathy for political parties that sometimes used terrorism for their goals was a part of his appeal?

Democracy folks:

TUPPER WEREWOLF ‏@TUPPER_WEREWOLF 9 mins

A tory MP tonight said that 90% of his constituents were against bombing Syria, however, he felt he should use his own judgment #SyriaVote

incredible from hilary benn - what a performance, glorious night, privileged to have tickets for the show, let's kill some kids, bravo.

Britain is vile

It wasn't even all that. ISIL a bunch of fascists and as big a threat as Nazi Germany?! iirc the Nazis occupied the whole of France for a while.

I'd have any of yis over here fwiw there's great value to the euro atm

fucking bunch of shit. it's just classic politics as entertainment, someone must be crowned the winner, and it suits the government to lionise an opposition member for his "reasonable" stance.

yet again i see "do our bit" featured. like we all need to "muck in" and just kill people cos it'd be untoward not to. this shit passing for some kind of heroic speech is pathetic. they're so out of touch it's untrue.

occupied / collaborated you say potato xxp

iirc the UK's inability to work with other countries was a big factor in WWII actually starting

Going mad for any hints of Churchillian flourish. Its a British disease.

60 Lab MPs voted against the amendment to block action in Syria so this should be the scale of the rebellion.

Churchill not a sensible figure to invoke with regard to the Middle East

Nice of Benn to jump to corbyns defence tho. 'Leave him alone he's not a terrorist sympathiser'. Fucking slimy patronising wank.

Fuck all these people forever obviously and see you in another 5 years to do it somewhere else.