Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

simon hoare: "this is not a war, it's a recalibration of an existing operation"

Labour peer Lord Rooker has strong words for the his party's front bench in the Commons, comparing the exploitation by IS of the "innate tolerance" of the UK with "the way the anti-British trots in the Labour Party are using our tolerance to get control".

"Daesh are coming for us," he says, and warns of the lessons of Munich: "If you don't fight when attacked, you lose."

Leaving his strongest words about Jeremy Corbyn until last, the former minister says:

"I'm in the terrible position of having been in Westminster since February 1974 and believing that there are members of the cabinet that I would rather have as prime minister than my own party leader - we need to get rid of him."

Send of those Brimstone things to Islington perhaps?

Salmond's glowering at Cameron when asking him to apologise earlier was quite exhilarating nay terrifying.

A lot of these MPs are the result of the moral vacuum created by successive bad regimes.

Benn invoking the children in his leadership bid right now.

LOL @ "Hollande in our sister socialist party"

Is Hilary Bomb the new Tony Bliar?

Hilary outraged that ISIS think they are better than us.

He is talking about internationalism and how Fascists need to be defeated -- so probably not.

Got masses of applause, most of them drinking blood by this point.

Expect lots of Hilary 4 leader claptrap right now on twitter and in the next few days in the press.

Invoking Hitler + El Duce = classic speech, what a bunch of degenerates.

corbyn looked v.v.uncomfortable following benn's "barnstormer". has rory stewart spoken? syria's not his area of expertise but he's frequently v.good on the middle east

Not so good on Middleland though.

How can say "Labour’s sister socialist party" with a straight face?

he

right on cue:

Dan Hodges 18 minutes ago

Hilary Benn doesn't just look like the leader of the opposition at the moment. He looks like the prime minister.

They were doing this with Dan Jarvis the other day.

Here I thought Corbyn's sympathy for political parties that sometimes used terrorism for their goals was a part of his appeal?

Democracy folks:

TUPPER WEREWOLF ‏@TUPPER_WEREWOLF 9 mins

A tory MP tonight said that 90% of his constituents were against bombing Syria, however, he felt he should use his own judgment #SyriaVote

incredible from hilary benn - what a performance, glorious night, privileged to have tickets for the show, let's kill some kids, bravo.

Britain is vile

It wasn't even all that. ISIL a bunch of fascists and as big a threat as Nazi Germany?! iirc the Nazis occupied the whole of France for a while.

I'd have any of yis over here fwiw there's great value to the euro atm

fucking bunch of shit. it's just classic politics as entertainment, someone must be crowned the winner, and it suits the government to lionise an opposition member for his "reasonable" stance.

yet again i see "do our bit" featured. like we all need to "muck in" and just kill people cos it'd be untoward not to. this shit passing for some kind of heroic speech is pathetic. they're so out of touch it's untrue.

occupied / collaborated you say potato xxp

iirc the UK's inability to work with other countries was a big factor in WWII actually starting

Going mad for any hints of Churchillian flourish. Its a British disease.

60 Lab MPs voted against the amendment to block action in Syria so this should be the scale of the rebellion.

Churchill not a sensible figure to invoke with regard to the Middle East

Nice of Benn to jump to corbyns defence tho. 'Leave him alone he's not a terrorist sympathiser'. Fucking slimy patronising wank.

Fuck all these people forever obviously and see you in another 5 years to do it somewhere else.

Good news, the bombing can begin tonight! Huzzah! Trebles all round!

ugh:

stellacreasy @stellacreasy

Hilary benn’s speech has persuaded me that fascism must be defeated. I will hold public meeting on Sunday to discuss #syria

Those glorious years of fighting Fascism when we were bombing German civilians in their cities rather than targeting Nazi infrastructure, it didn't hasten their military defeat but sure felt good.

bomber harris, the sensitive bomber

Hilary benn’s speech has persuaded me that fascism must be defeated.

Wasn't sure about it, hadn't thought about it before.

used to think Isis were a great bunch of lads, not so sure now that Hilary Benn has employed the Nazi analogy

its the "I will hold a public meeting" that takes the biscuit.

Gotta love the glee of BBC presenters over the prospect of 60-70 Labour MPs "voting against Jeremy Corbyn".

Though 60-70 Labour MPs "voting against Jeremy Corbyn" is a pretty accurate description of what transpired.

So this woman hadn't made up her mind even what 10-15 mins before she was about to vote?! Absurd.

wandering up and down Walthamstow high street singing "who wants a game of war?" isn't really a public meeting imo

I will hold public meeting on Sunday to discuss #syria

She's a London MP, it might not be a very good idea.

152 - 67 is the so far reported Lab split

67 scabs in a one night stand

Alan Duncan taking the opportunity to attack the SNP and their opposition to the bombing, that's the party that holds 56 of Scotland's 59 seats in the UK parliament. Thumbs up, Al, Better Together.

Some nice work from BBC24, showing a brimstone picking out a hummer in the desert. If I lived in Raaqa I wouldn't be worried at all.

People sure do love doing something that makes them feel they have gravity.

Like there are no actual rational arguments for a bit of extra pointless bombing, but given the chance to stand up for 5 mins and address 'the nation' they all just wanted to prove that they could push the button.

That's obviously aside from the breathtakingly cynical politics of most of labour.

And yeh. The upshot is we spend a bit of money we apparently don't have, we radicalise a few more idiots, we add to an already impossible refugee crisis and we fucking KILL A LOAD OF ACTUAL PEOPLE.

the benn speech isn't just poor, it's actually an unexpected final insult on a grim day. like a sense of fiction to the whole thing...

I didn't think there could be a bigger twat than Tim Farron today, but he pulled it off.

Sorry I feel like I am becoming shrill + repetitive but I am just really fucked off

11 members of the Shadow Cabinet voted in favour.