Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

jesus christ

That makes sense, there's a lot of Bombs for Peace around these days.

Every time Dan Hodges makes me angry I remember that as a teenager he designed a one-player Falklands War board game, that only he has played.

That Dan Hodges thing

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ha!

You can wash that stuff off these days.

I remember that as a teenager he designed a one-player Falklands War board game, that only he has played.

― Matt DC, Thursday, December 3, 2015 1:45 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg is this true? loooooool

Its why I wanted the quote to stop there (but obv with the link). Its such a ridiculous thing to say, especially post-Iraq. xposts

He inverted the House

Is this anything like the Yippies trying to levitate the White House during in the late 60s?

They had said they needed two days of debate. War. Peace. To bomb Isil. Not to bomb Isil. The issues were too complex. The stakes too high. The arguments too nuanced.
They were wrong.

This is just... the stupidest fucking thing I have ever read. Thank god this idiot popinjay doesn't have any actual power.

It was like watching the witch from the Wizard of Oz who has just had a bucket of water thrown over her. All the talk of his “mandate”. All the talk of his legions of new activists. They were destroyed in an instant. Crushed by Hilary Benn and 100 years of the Labour party’s accumulated moral authority.

do they know something we don't? honestly how does this campaign in syria end in anything but disaster? who would hitch their wagon to this particular star?

I'm not exactly reassured that such decisions can be made on "one speech, one moment" tbh.

You can practically see him popping champagne corks with that last bit.

Thing is, the government would have won the vote comfortably even if every single Labour MP had voted no, this is entirely about making Corbyn look foolish.

he inverted the house and landed it right on top of the wicked witch of the left

The vote wasn't about Corbyn. iirc Cameron wanted a vote on Syrian intervention before the attacks but felt there would be enough Tory rebels or not a big enough majority to carry out air strikes. It was only post-Paris that the opportunity presented itself for the vote. Making Corbyn look bad is only a side-issue.

Labour are badly divided on almost all big issues.

I meant for Hodges, not the MPs themselves.

Sorry Matt - misread.

Also on Tracer's point - we don't know whether the Syrian campaign will end in a disaster in such a way that will be a plus for Corbyn or in a way that would kill off Benn and that rabble for good out of Labour, say. Its all symbolic, a few bombs.

Or it could end in disaster but it might take years to know, by which time Corbyn will probably be gone and we will all be in the midst of the next intervention.

Corbyn, in this respect, is almost to be seen as 'conscience of the country' - type figure.

Seems most likely - unless they hit a wedding or something - that there won't be conclusive evidence either way and whoever the media sides with will set the narrative.

I think people - not all of whom are articulate or polite - are entitled to their anger and disappointment with people they may have voted for, are entitled to lobby their representatives, and are not in any way bullies. MPs with money, power and options are painting themselves as victims of people with so much less of all of those things, and it's NAGL.

― voodoo rage (suzy), Thursday, 3 December 2015 12:07 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

After the initial somewhat genuine outbursts and expressions of anger and rage and disgust, whether misguided or poorly thought through; always the more measured and studied response of who can appear the most jaded and worldweary and cynical in their reactions to the former.

― La Düsseldork (Branwell with an N), Thursday, 3 December 2015 12:24 (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1000x otm

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVTjUhqUkAA6bjd.jpg

That may well be fake obv.

I assume the asterisks are the letters g, r, o, v and e.

Someone should be able to verify this now :-)

ah, the joy of replying to someone who signed with their title with the colloquial form of their first name while imploring them to learn respect. what's the smiley about tho is he an ilxor or

nah it was just a LOL moment as the name wasn't disguised throughout.

Why does Godwin's Law apply on the internet. but not in Parliament?

hilary benn, two weeks ago: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hilary-benn-shadow-foreign-secretary-says-labour-wont-back-air-strikes-on-syria-a6734651.html

“They have to come up with an overall plan, which they have not done. I think the focus for now is finding a peaceful solution to the civil war.”

The shadow Foreign Secretary added: “The most useful contribution we can make is to support as a nation the peace talks that have started. That is the single most important thing we can do.”

sorry, Inspiring Orator Hilary Benn

I didn't think the Benn speech was even particularly good as a piece of oration.

couldn't hear his speech tbh, there was a weird spinning noise in the background

The John Lewis Christmas ad of speeches

xp
probably a Bennerator you could hear there:(

Oldham results in, Labout increase their vote share by 7.5% but turnout is down compared to the GE, and so the bbc report it as "Labour wins but with a reduced majority", amazing.

With a higher % of the vote than Meacher managed in 1997, no less.

nice

I despair

Don't. This could be England's SNP moment.

lol like you can put a negative spin on 10,835 majority.

Dan Hodges is doing his best on that front, as you'd expect.

That arsewipe in the Graun who was calling UKIP the other day, what a complete twat.

sorry I have had a few beers

Hilary Benn 4 PM.

They had said they needed two days of debate. War. Peace. To bomb Isil. Not to bomb Isil. The issues were too complex. The stakes too high. The arguments too nuanced.
They were wrong.

didn't realise roy keane had a new biography out with eamon dunphy

I phoned Jeremy Corbyn and he agreed it was ridiculous.

There it is

Not really in the script this by-election result.

Tom Watson "warned that any Labour members who joined an anti-war protest outside the home of the Labour MP Stella Creasy should be thrown out of the party."

So a tweet showing she doesn't have the capability to take the decision she has should be allowed not to not even bequestioned? Thanks Tom, that's wonderful.

Not really sure why Stella Creasy is apparently getting more flack than the other 60-odd Labour MPs who voted for it, many of whom are also in London.

Farage throwing his toys out of the pram is very, very entertaining.

"To vote for war is grown-up politics about Britain’s place in the world, a solid reminder of what Labour in power used to feel like"

Reminds me of the story of Thatcher after the Reykjavik summit urging Reagan not to consider nuclear disarmament because it would make Labour's current policies look stronger.

Stella Creasy is apparently getting more flack than the other 60-odd Labour MPs who voted for it, many of whom are also in London.

Must be that utterly idiotic tweet. As for the other MPs - give it time.