Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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donk article proves mcdonnell is not quite the hero of the working class he's said to be, here's hoping the daily mail don't catch wind of it

Merdeyeux, Monday, 7 December 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link

Time for beddy-byes, Roy, you've had not a bad career so far, not a bad life, nothing to be ashamed of, but all fair to middling things must come to an end.

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Monday, 7 December 2015 13:44 (eight years ago) link

Put a (peoples)Quant(itative easing) on it

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 7 December 2015 14:09 (eight years ago) link

Video - David Cameron repeats 'You ain't no Muslim bruv ...
www.independent.co.uk › News › UK › UK Politics
45 mins ago - David Cameron has repeated the remark "you ain't no Muslim, bruv" and praised the man who said it to the suspected Leytonstone Tube attacker. ... The Prime Minister said the man had done "much better than I ever could" in denouncing the use of Islam to justify terrorist attacks.

oh, great!

Mark G, Monday, 7 December 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link

ConservativeHome’s Mark Wallace wrote a detailed and revealing account of what took place at a Momentum meeting he attended in Lambeth recently. John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, was one of the speakers. Momentum says it is not pushing to deselect Labour MPs on the party’s right, but Wallace concluded that, in practice, this was its agenda.

Here’s an extract.

Not for nothing has John McDonnell risen to become the second most senior hard leftist in British politics. He knew exactly what he was doing. The meeting was shot through with Militant activists, Momentum was represented by a speaker who delivered a tirade targeted at other Labour factions. McDonnell carefully laid down all the cover in his speech about rejecting sectarianism within the Labour Party and denying that Momentum was intended to deselect dissenting MPs, then made sure to tell the audience with a wry smile that they were on the path to full control, they would get what they wanted and they would soon control who was selected. Had he really come to this meeting to bury factionalism, rather than to praise it, he wouldn’t have sat quietly while Ruth Cashman, in her vote of thanks, congratulated him on coming to Lambeth – “the vipers’ nest of Progress”.

As things wound down, I snuck out the back of the hall to head home. At the door, a final Stop the War activist asked me to sign his petition. “It’s against…well, it’s against Chuka, basically.”

:-)

Bye

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 11:10 (eight years ago) link

Come back when a young Labour activist has killed himself as a result of systematic bullying perhaps?

Otago Imago (Tom D.), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 11:31 (eight years ago) link

I was thinking that is a minor possibility among the sea of childish tantrums.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 11:37 (eight years ago) link

At the door, a final Stop the War activist asked me to sign his petition. “It’s against…well, it’s against Chuka, basically.”

liking this straight talking, and wd like to sign petition

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:01 (eight years ago) link

Careful you are not radicalised now.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:04 (eight years ago) link

already watches dulwich hamlet x_x

DO you feel it?

The UK has got its mojo back. Apparently.

I don't have the time or energy to make a counterargument (stevie), Tuesday, 8 December 2015 12:44 (eight years ago) link

Blairism, by Tony Blair

Lock thread.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 December 2015 09:48 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/10/tories-deceitful-political-sorcery-eu-cameron-magician-labour-must-learn

So how does Labour learn from the Tories' chicanery? This piece just stopped?

I don't think they are that successful. Coalition and then a small majority in the 20 odd years. But he is backing a New Labour way of doing things.

The analysis looks wrong. From Oldham it does look as if UKIP is surely now a big Tory problem and not so much a Labour one, certainly as we get closer to the EU referendum.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 10 December 2015 12:11 (eight years ago) link

In reality it isn't much of a problem for either party, electorally at least, although the pressure it exerts will exacerbate a split in the Tories.

Matt DC, Thursday, 10 December 2015 12:28 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/11/blair-frail-legacy-labour-corbynistas

This is a good and balanced piece tackling NuLab hysteria at the moment.

Matt DC, Friday, 11 December 2015 10:04 (eight years ago) link

^ One for the credit column.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 13 December 2015 11:00 (eight years ago) link

How can anyone improve Jess Philipps?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 12:54 (eight years ago) link

the first i'd ever heard of jess phillips was when she boasted about telling diane abbott to fuck off and suddenly she's e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e

cher guevara (lex pretend), Monday, 14 December 2015 13:00 (eight years ago) link

Talk of stabbings and shooting people in the head ten times - she must've been binge watching 'winners' like Donald Trump last week.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 13:07 (eight years ago) link

Yuk..

quixotic yet visceral (Bob Six), Monday, 14 December 2015 13:09 (eight years ago) link

“I would do anything that I felt was going to make the Labour party win the general election because if I don’t have that attitude then all I’m doing is colluding with the Tories.

Because if there's one thing proven time and time again to make you more electable it's openly divided parties.

She added: “I would do whatever I could to make Jeremy Corbyn more electable, but you’ve got to give me something to work with, mate.”

RMDE.

Matt DC, Monday, 14 December 2015 13:27 (eight years ago) link

— John Mann (@JohnMannMP)
December 14, 2015

I told @jessphillips that she should be #Labour leader four months ago. She thought I was joking...#new generation

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 13:41 (eight years ago) link

This is awesome, seriously:

— John Mann (@JohnMannMP)
December 14, 2015

@jessphillips @guardian what the people want are politicians who say what they think but share their common values.

Could have fun with this for a while.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 13:42 (eight years ago) link

She's kind of a div. Imagine the shit-storm if Diane Abbott told *her* to fuck off.

Jess Phillips complained that many people lobbying her over Syria 'weren't even on the Electoral Register' so I had to pointedly remind her that there are thousands of UK taxpayers with indefinite leave to remain. We don't appear on the ER because we are not citizens with a vote, so writing to an MP is on of only a few ways we can make our views known. She voted against airstrikes BTW, so ther's that.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 14 December 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link

lol, I don't think 'not on the electoral register no fuck them' is going to be a productive position for the labour party going forward.

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 14 December 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

so fuck them

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 14 December 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

Ha, it just showed me that she mouths off before engaging her brain - which everyone will have discovered today.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 14 December 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

Eddie Cochrane had a similar problem.

Mark G, Monday, 14 December 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link

Never mind Labour leader that makes her Prime Minister material if the present incumbent is any yardstick.

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Monday, 14 December 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link

She seems kind of promising tbh, hope she's not a secret Tory

roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

"she mouths off before engaging her brain" - Can see why you like her LJ.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link

"If that means making Jeremy better, I’ll roll my sleeves up."

?

conrad, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link

if this is the way to make labour electable, I'll eat my hat

conrad, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

xp I don't think she is, but OH THE IRONING her persona is pretty fucking adolescent for someone who says Corbyn's supporters are like teenagers who''ve just discovered vegetarianism.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link

She could yet choose the path of the light. Corbyn could promote her to his own advantage tbh

roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link

Don't think she spends too long thinking about anything. Yes, she voted against strikes but I remember people pleading with her to read a few things on the politics of it on twitter. Don't know if that had an impact but I reckon it was a close shave.

Similarly another line on that interview is that apparently Corbyn spends too long talking about Trident when that doesn't mean anything to her constituents. A big part of that debate is the public money we would save by not going ahead with Trident, which is something relevant to all of us. Its not some abstract leftie issue (although granted Corbyn is a re-thread of old debates at times, but they can be made to be relevant to anyone voting today)

Not a Tory, just out of her depth - and using language the people on the right of the party accuse Corbyn's Momentum crowd of using. All that crying over death threats..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

"path of the light"? Looking forward to new Star Wars imago. I hear its out this week.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

chill out malcolm tucker

roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link

Oh I'm all chilled out Louie, just wondering what this "path of the light" business was about. xp

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

I mean I could go on about the state of John Woodcock's twitter but I better not.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 December 2015 12:08 (eight years ago) link

I love Abby! This is undimmed after finding out that her endorsing of Andy Burnham might have something to do with Andy Burnham's brother being her headmaster, but nm - we commissioned her to write for edgystylemag.com this summer, would commission again.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 21 December 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link

Burnham has actually done ok as a memeber of Corbyn's shadow cab so no biggie.

And she has done v well in coping with the harrassment from the press dogs.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 December 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

If Jeremy Corbyn were as mean as I am, he'd be sending Tena products as secret Santa packages to leakier members of the front bench.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 21 December 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/22/labour-people-optimists-see-no-hope-jeremy-corbyn

*bye bye emoji* @ "Labour People"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 10:57 (eight years ago) link

Lib Dem People

where are the rock bands? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 11:00 (eight years ago) link


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