Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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so fuck them

Agents, show the general out. (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 14 December 2015 14:24 (eight years ago) link

Ha, it just showed me that she mouths off before engaging her brain - which everyone will have discovered today.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 14 December 2015 15:47 (eight years ago) link

Eddie Cochrane had a similar problem.

Mark G, Monday, 14 December 2015 15:48 (eight years ago) link

Never mind Labour leader that makes her Prime Minister material if the present incumbent is any yardstick.

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Monday, 14 December 2015 15:51 (eight years ago) link

She seems kind of promising tbh, hope she's not a secret Tory

roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:01 (eight years ago) link

"she mouths off before engaging her brain" - Can see why you like her LJ.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:09 (eight years ago) link

"If that means making Jeremy better, I’ll roll my sleeves up."

?

conrad, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:12 (eight years ago) link

if this is the way to make labour electable, I'll eat my hat

conrad, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:13 (eight years ago) link

xp I don't think she is, but OH THE IRONING her persona is pretty fucking adolescent for someone who says Corbyn's supporters are like teenagers who''ve just discovered vegetarianism.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:15 (eight years ago) link

She could yet choose the path of the light. Corbyn could promote her to his own advantage tbh

roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:23 (eight years ago) link

Don't think she spends too long thinking about anything. Yes, she voted against strikes but I remember people pleading with her to read a few things on the politics of it on twitter. Don't know if that had an impact but I reckon it was a close shave.

Similarly another line on that interview is that apparently Corbyn spends too long talking about Trident when that doesn't mean anything to her constituents. A big part of that debate is the public money we would save by not going ahead with Trident, which is something relevant to all of us. Its not some abstract leftie issue (although granted Corbyn is a re-thread of old debates at times, but they can be made to be relevant to anyone voting today)

Not a Tory, just out of her depth - and using language the people on the right of the party accuse Corbyn's Momentum crowd of using. All that crying over death threats..

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link

"path of the light"? Looking forward to new Star Wars imago. I hear its out this week.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:29 (eight years ago) link

chill out malcolm tucker

roughest.contoured.silks (imago), Monday, 14 December 2015 16:33 (eight years ago) link

Oh I'm all chilled out Louie, just wondering what this "path of the light" business was about. xp

xyzzzz__, Monday, 14 December 2015 16:38 (eight years ago) link

I mean I could go on about the state of John Woodcock's twitter but I better not.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 December 2015 12:08 (eight years ago) link

I love Abby! This is undimmed after finding out that her endorsing of Andy Burnham might have something to do with Andy Burnham's brother being her headmaster, but nm - we commissioned her to write for edgystylemag.com this summer, would commission again.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 21 December 2015 15:43 (eight years ago) link

Burnham has actually done ok as a memeber of Corbyn's shadow cab so no biggie.

And she has done v well in coping with the harrassment from the press dogs.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 December 2015 16:06 (eight years ago) link

If Jeremy Corbyn were as mean as I am, he'd be sending Tena products as secret Santa packages to leakier members of the front bench.

voodoo rage (suzy), Monday, 21 December 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/dec/22/labour-people-optimists-see-no-hope-jeremy-corbyn

*bye bye emoji* @ "Labour People"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 10:57 (eight years ago) link

Lib Dem People

where are the rock bands? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 11:00 (eight years ago) link

Mrs Jellyby People

where are the rock bands? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 11:07 (eight years ago) link

Does "Burnham has done ok" mean anything beyond "Burnham hasn't been actively mean about Corbyn in public"?

Judging by this thread of late you'd be forgiven for thinking that nothing noteworthy happens in British politics other than people being mean about Corbyn.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 11:10 (eight years ago) link

Guilty as charged. Although I wanted to talk about the 'bad news' buried in the last day of parliament but it was probably better as a poll that I was never going to put up.

Does "Burnham has done ok" mean anything beyond "Burnham hasn't been actively mean about Corbyn in public"?

Given the state of things...but he has focused a bit more on opposing the government re: remarks on police cuts.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 11:18 (eight years ago) link

Bad news for Corbyn supporters, Brendan O'Neill is on your side.

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 11:59 (eight years ago) link

Every single one of those points is OTM though.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:04 (eight years ago) link

That's the worrying part.

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:10 (eight years ago) link

The standard line of the complacent Corbynite appears to be that his job is more about "realigning" the Labour Party than winning the next election. I somehow doubt that Corbyn himself sees it that way - why on earth would you settle for realigning the party when you have the opportunity to realign the country?

In any case, Corbyn only needs to do one thing to realign the Labour Party, which is to remove the closed-shop system of PLP-nominated candidates. Create a process where any sitting MP who stands can win, with a genuine one-member-one-vote system. Otherwise, all that will happen is that what remained of the PLP will block out any left-wing candidate next time round. Deselection isn't the answer either, and Corbyn doesn't seem to favour that anyway. Leave everything else to the members, and not self-proclaimed interest groups like Momentum or Progress. Personally I think he should bin the 'registered supporters' system as well, which could serve to undermine the credibility of any future winner.

A lot of Corbyn's supporter base seems to be a coalition of younger, more idealistic voters and bitter old giffers with a score to settle from 20+ years ago. There's a whole spectrum in between but these two broad blocs are already very apparent. They don't necessarily want the same things and that tension will become more visible over time. I know which lot I trust more. The younger group is only going to grow in number, while the other group is only going to shrink. They also have no particular attachment to Labour in and of itself and could easily take their votes elsewhere if an option presented itself.

The Labour right is extremely complacent about the prospect of an English Syriza or Podemos (or even SNP) appearing and they have no earthly reason to be. It's unlikely to be big or well-funded enough to win an election, but could easily be enough to sap a large number of votes from a party led by Tristram or Chuka or whoever. Corbyn's leadership is a product of historical forces that would have put someone like him in charge regardless. He could be the only thing preventing that eventuality from occurring.

(xpost - well that's going to be a sincere and gracious apology).

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:26 (eight years ago) link

Awful Brendan doesn't talk about why they are doing this. For all the noise the poll ratings for everybody haven't really moved (including in Scotland which shows how deep Labour's problems are). If shit really starts happening on the economy, housing, and if the cuts to local government are ever linked to Gideon's assault on their budgets Labour (even in their current state) are positioned to make things difficult, to say the least. And I'm not just talking about an uncomfortable session at PMQs (Look at the way Polly presents Europe as a point-scoring exercise at the end of her piece).

But to talk about why would mean talking about things the Labour right and The Spectator are aligned with. xps

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:29 (eight years ago) link

xp Extensive too (doesn't even mention the Sun on the front page bit)
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/dec/22/sun-forced-to-print-front-page-correction-over-corbyn-claim

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:32 (eight years ago) link

Its not just an apology but a front-page correction. xp

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 12:34 (eight years ago) link

and New year

(now that the floods are 'done')

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 31 December 2015 14:49 (eight years ago) link

Corbyn, a terrible man, how unlike his biggest critics.

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 December 2015 14:56 (eight years ago) link

Was just going to post that but was ooking for the right celebratory gif.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Thursday, 31 December 2015 14:57 (eight years ago) link

(Sir Lynton Crobsy btw)

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 December 2015 15:08 (eight years ago) link

Crosby, even. Either way *retch*

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 December 2015 15:09 (eight years ago) link

any rejected kbes this year

probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Thursday, 31 December 2015 15:13 (eight years ago) link

second picture is some fine work

probably.tasteful.forever (imago), Monday, 4 January 2016 10:42 (eight years ago) link

I can assure you now, no-one will do me in, no-one will do me in

Anyway, it's not a three, it's a yogh. (Tom D.), Monday, 4 January 2016 11:06 (eight years ago) link

colourful personal life

soref, Monday, 4 January 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link

He shifted from 'i was drunk and depressed' to 'bitches be crazy' with a fleet of foot I'd not previously associated with him.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 4 January 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

Blaming women for a man's actions has worked for 5000+ years, no wonder he thinks he's on to a winner there.

chicken danczuk (suzy), Monday, 4 January 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link

Yes, I was probably naive in thinking the performative penitence would last more than sixteen hours.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 4 January 2016 17:37 (eight years ago) link

It's just the new sexual politics

Noodle Vague, Monday, 4 January 2016 19:58 (eight years ago) link

xpost to 'passive aggressive notes' thread

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CX9zQSPWEAQnNy7.jpg

soref, Tuesday, 5 January 2016 15:28 (eight years ago) link


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