Star Wars 7 Spoilers Thread: This SPOIL bath is going to feel so good.

Drink at your desk like the rest of us do!

that'll only make me post more, not less!

Anyway, I didn't pay attention to the credits so couldn't figure out if two prominently featured characters were supposed to be Nien Nunb and Admiral Ackbar or just other members of the species.

And to the point about the dialogue being a little too modern and literal to match the tone of Lucas' more grandiose technobabble: "ventral cannons" sounds like a condition as much as it does a weapons system

I figure Kylo has about 4 things going on that make him suck in that fight (I have now seen the movie twice btw)

1. Shot with boltcaster, ow

2. Kinda doesn't actually want to hurt pretty lady

3. Never had to actually swordfight anybody before, being the only person left using one of these things (note that all the accrued institutional knowledge of lightsaber technique is basically completely absent from the galaxy by the time of this movie - talk about "hollowing out")

4. More than a couple loose screws rolling around up there

Nope, that's Nien Nunb and Ackbar, IMDB says so

Can't believe people like this crap

Anyway, I didn't pay attention to the credits so couldn't figure out if two prominently featured characters were supposed to be Nien Nunb and Admiral Ackbar or just other members of the species.

I was wondering about that too! Though I presume the octopus dude at least wasn't Ackbar, because otherwise it seems he'd been demoted. But it'd been nice if the movie had included some dialogue with the names of these characters, so we'd know for sure.

people's main gripe about the prequels was that they had none of the magic, charm of the originals, now people's main gripe (not just on here) is that the new sequel is *too like* the first one. i mean.. poor old JJ can't get a break.

complaining about recycled plot elements (and I count a lot in this thread) goes beyond being "like" the first one

Hmm, I guess they are the same characters, then! If IMDb is to be trusted, they brought back the voice actors and even the puppeteer and body actor who played them in RotJ. That's a nice thing to do, I can't imagine anyone would've noticed if they'd changed actors.

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my main gripe about the prequels is the story as told on screen kind of sucked. my main gripe with this one is the story has some pretty serious plot holes and just didn't feel like a coherent narrative, compared to each of the three originals. but i was way more into this than any of the prequels

people's main gripe about the prequels was that they had none of the magic, charm of the originals, now people's main gripe (not just on here) is that the new sequel is *too like* the first one. i mean.. poor old JJ can't get a break.

You know, it's not inconceivable that someone could do a movie with a similar sensibility (unlike episodes I to III) that still has an original plot (unlike Force Awakens). That's what most good sequels are like, why couldn't we have expected that from this movie?

the "gripes" in this thread are more nit picks, I am pretty sure nobody is anywhere close to "I want my money back!" or "I'll never get those hours back!" whining

Yeah, this was still solid entertainment, I'd give it three stars out five; and like I said upthread, the first half (before the Death Planet plot really kicks in) was mostly really good. But there hasn't been a movie that I've anticipated as much as this one since the first LotR film, so the disappointment with its flaws is kinda proportionate to those expectations, especially since it wouldn't have taken too much tweaking to mend some of those flaws. I still have high hopes that the sequels will improve upon this movie though, especially since most of it was just buildup for the bigger plot.

I do want my money back but that's cos I hate paying for things

I figured it was another guy instead of Nien Nunb but I was pretty sure it was Ackbar and had a moment

nobody's really demoted, they mentioned not having the Republic's resources, I think the Resistance is a group of Republic people who think the Imperial remnant need to be finished off where the Republic's official stance is they're no longer into war

might change now that these First Order clowns fired a superweapon

Yeah I mean just cos they had a super-weapon doesn't make them well organized. When you are treated like a benign threat by the Republic and can mostly fend off severe Resistance interference they can develop the shit in secret.

Yeah they're organized enough where the Resistance takes them seriously but they're not the Empire who had long dissolved the Senate and we're themselves the law of the land.

Mh also otm...Kylos training isn't done. This is directly implied by Snoke's dialogue.

he doesn't have any knights yet!

I'm really stretching for a historical parallel to the situation where the standing democratic government refuses to commit to being "at war" while a separate institution with broad remit to commit espionage and military actions deals with possibly existential threats to said democratic government - oh wait that's us

"The Resistance" = the DoD, but like if we told them to set up shop on a separate planet, because lightspeed

"The Republic" = our political system and civil society, with some alt-history Man In The High Castle type shit baked in bcz eps IV-VI are kinda that

"First Order" = pick your geographically awkward totalitarian gangster state of choice

Actually, the Resistance might have a closer parallel to a kind of NATO / SEATO institution with significantly more autonomy to just run crazy ops as long as it's in places where the Republic doesn't claim exclusive jurisdiction.

Man I'm going to think about this so hard

"First Order" = pick your geographically awkward totalitarian gangster state of choice

Well, they did throw the Nazi arm raise.

In the Uptown 1 last night where I was elbow-to-elbow with highly excitable fans, these are a couple of the specific high points imo

1. Kylo Ren: "I can take whatever I want"
1a. dude to the left: "Rapist?"

2. General Hux: *finishes speech* - Several battalions of First Order troopers: *NAZI SALUTE*
2a. everybody: "uhhhhh"

3. Han Solo: "You head up top, I'll go down below, we'll meet back here"
3a. dude to the left: "Oh no."
3b. everybody: "muuuuhhhhhh"

4. Kylo Ren: *tries to force grab luke's saber* Rey: *force grabs it so hard Kylo has to dodge to avoid losing his teeth*
4a. everybody, especially dude to the left: HOOOOOOOO *APPLAUSE* WOOOOOOO

It was a lot of fun being in a double decker one-screen cinema last night with all the audience reactions and excitement. It was especially interesting contrasting that with the 9AM crowd this morning that included several of my coworkers & employees on a tiny screen that just happens to be near our offices. Seriously we were watching it in the same kind of setting that's usually reserved for art films, theater and audience-size wise.

I have seen enough death stars blown up to last a lifetime

― Οὖτις,

John McCain's line.

oh god how did I forget

0. Finn: "What about that ship?" Rey: "No that's garbage!" *kaboom* "The garbage will do!" *pan left to MF*
0a. everybody even me: YAAAAAHAHAAAAAHAAAAA WOOHOO WHAAAHAHAAA

Grains of salt: not exactly a SW fan, I think I've seen Empire in its entirety but never the rest at once. Kind of confused by the Vader stuff because I that Darth turned good again at the end of ROTJ?

I liked it a lot - it was a wonderful, joy-of-filmmaking action movie. Abrams almost nailed it with the first Star Trek reboot and shit the bed with Into Darkness.

The big negative, which I understand they had to do, was bringing back ALL of the old characters. The movie peaked early when you've met no one but Poe (fantastic in his small amount of screentime, perfect Han Solo substitute for the next couple), Rey, Finn and masked Kylo. Bringing in Han AND Chewie AND Leia AND R2D2 AND C3PO AND the Death Star (and finally Luke) put everything on ice and provided the most annoying superfans orgasming loudly moments.

Loved Rey so much, Daisy Ridley might be the best non-Alec Guinness actor the series has seen.

No one else effing hated Poe Dameron? Just me?

Cringeworthy moments REALLY took me out of it (when they're coming up with the plan to take out the death planet, I mean Lucas's characters had equally silly plans but at least it didn't seem like the actors were in on the joke.)

But then the parent-child scenes hit me like a ton of bricks, more genuine character-driven emotion than the original series.

I liked the opening "here's all the stuff you wanted" into "that's out of the way, here's something actually kinda new".

No one else effing hated Poe Dameron? Just me?

This is the first out of many dozens of Poe Dameron opinions I've seen in many places on the internet that is negative. You are an island.

Ok I saw it a third time and I'm drinking the Kool aid much more now.

Not that I don't still have my reservations above but man...Daisy Ridley rules

Saw it tonight. Seeing again later this week with the little nephew. I liked a lot of it and also thought a lot of it was ... strange. Pacing-wise a bit of a mess. Emotional moments left to feel hollow (not a word about Han once everyone got back to the base? Nope. Let's just rush on to the next bit of plot...). That whole pirate gang and monsters scene was terrible. Like --- cringeworthy. A level of geeky cheesiness not seen in the OT. I'd put this around the same as ROTJ, honestly. Ridley and Boyega made a great team and she's spectacular, yes, but I can't wait to see what the next director does with the series.

Oh yeah --- and Poe Dameron kinda got on my nerves too. "Star Bro".

Abrams framing and choice of angles is often bizarre and unnecessary, too.

Ah --- and Chewie was the third star of the film I think. Ford seemed to slur a good half of his lines.

Has anyone mentioned that it was Daniel Craig playing the stormtrooper guarding Rey?

the helicopter shot of ridley and hamill at the end was really weird. it felt like a clip from a behind the scenes documentary.

Yeah, that was the only thing that seemed particularly UN-Star Wars to me. But considering the content of the scene itself, it's okay with me if they want to go big.

Uncollected:

The line that the RLM guys bring up in their speculation about this was roughly the Lucas quote of "It's like poetry; it rhymes". And shit if this wasn't a full-on synthesis of bits of the trilogy with some interesting inversions thrown in. The local alt-weekly reviewed described this as an awesome Star Wars mixtape. It wasn't just Ep IV, you had Empire pieces and Jedi pieces mixed in.

Hell, we hit a desert planet, a frozen planet, and a forest planet in one movie.

I teared up twice; once during the initial fighter battle and second during the saber grab bit when then music cue hits. Its like Peanuts; this is pop-culture so very close to the core of my development that it can be easy to access the emotion associations. Fuck, I got an aerospace engineering degree for a reason.

They hired JJ to un-fuck the franchise and he did do that.

I wanted more of Poe & the other pilots.

Thought it was a nice trick to actually see what Rey was seeing in her visions than just having the character talk about them. I'm guessing those were bits we'll see in the next one, if they even decide to use them at all.

Some of the expository dialogue was pretty glaring; having characters explicitly state the increasing stakes and ticking clock times seemed really on the nose, but that was in the original, wasn't it.

The First Order were human only, weren't they, whereas the Resistance were multi-species? You actually had both male & female FO officers and stormtroopers.

Disappointed they had Boyego do an American accent.

Wait, was that the New Republic capital they blew up, or just a Republic planet?

Dug how the Resistance command center actually looked more like an underground thrown-together collection of gear than a resistance movement would put together.

I dug how the space pirates they encounter had either the strongest accent of the film or was the dude from the Raid: Redemption.

Carrie Fisher's daughter is in this and I'm guessing the thing is chock full of cameos from friends & family members.

I want to see it again this weekend.

Io9 comment pointed out how Daniel Craig as the guard in the Bond-esque torture room scene where the captive hero(ine) uses their wits to escape restraints and into the enemy's HQ.

-What was the deal with that head that pops out of the ground when BB-8 is fleeing the village? That dude was hiding too, I guess?

Was it this guy?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hem_Dazon

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/1/17/Arcona.png/revision/latest?cb=20130225033736

man i love that outis is posting in this thread also, like, even as someone who is mildly enthusiastic about this movie, i am just ... glad of the existence of haters

The Lord's Work, truly

This was alright. Had a good time seeing it with my brother and nieces.

It looked great, apart from some of the CGI characters.

Plot was kinda half-baked and lazy but I mostly liked the new characters.

Rilo Kiley was an interesting villain.

BB-8 = Robot Lassie (not a criticism)

They had a lot of fun with Chewbacca. Goddamit I love that wookie.

I saw the movie with my ex, who's a big Chewbacca fan, and we both felt really sad for him when Han died. They'd been partners for 40 years or so, what's he gonna do now? :(

<i>Rilo Kiley was an interesting villain.</i>

lol

one dud imo was having all the First Order people be younger dudes, they looked more like a bunch of star wars nerds playing out their childhood fantasies than a fearsome organization

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first order being a bunch of goobery kids was one of the only things i liked about this. the other was han solo's death curing R2D2's depression, guess he always hated that guy

I'm pretty sure it was cured by Rey showing up at resistance base. That felt like the biggest clue that Rey might be Luke's daughter.

She might be, and I'd be okay with that, but it's not really how I'd want it to play out.

this was great, I get the little nitpicks kind of, but this was way better than I expected it to be, in fact during the first half I almost couldn't believe how good it was.

Then it went kinda bonkers. The more I think about it the first half feels like the reverential "OK. Let's make a big boy movie" part of Abrams coming at you and then the second half is the "Woohoo! I ate too much candy" part of the film.

Threepio's voice sounded odd.

whatta bunch of whiners