At least all gone in the northside establishments, it may linger in the burbs.
― Jeff, Saturday, 19 December 2015 21:47 (eight years ago) link
http://rukkus.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/billy-joel.jpg"A bottle of reg ... "
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 December 2015 21:57 (eight years ago) link
Found an '08 BCBS at a cellar sale:
http://i.imgur.com/gie1jEp.jpg
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 20 December 2015 23:50 (eight years ago) link
Probably right in the cusp of drinkable, if even.
― Jeff, Sunday, 20 December 2015 23:51 (eight years ago) link
On the cusp.
― Jeff, Sunday, 20 December 2015 23:52 (eight years ago) link
had 12-13-14-15 BCS tonight plus 2015 prop and night stalker, my tongue was pretty much dead after the first 3, but it was fun
― pratt truss it (dan m), Monday, 21 December 2015 02:19 (eight years ago) link
that 1349 black ale in the pic is good
― pratt truss it (dan m), Monday, 21 December 2015 02:20 (eight years ago) link
pretty sure '08 bcbs is dead now
― call all destroyer, Monday, 21 December 2015 03:43 (eight years ago) link
I have bottles back to '09. Need to find a reason to drink them soon.
― Jeff, Monday, 21 December 2015 12:09 (eight years ago) link
Dead how? I know they say "up to 5 years," but there are several stouts that basically tout they can be stored indefinitely. Like Bell's Expedition, which some (and more importantly, Bell's) say can be stored more or less indefinitely. What's the dif. between storing one high ABV stout and another? Is Goose Island just covering their butts with the "up the 5 years" instruction?
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 December 2015 14:58 (eight years ago) link
All depends on how the oxidation has affected it. Bad oxidation and you start to get something that taste like Bourbon Country Cardboard. I did a 10 year vertical last year from '05 to '14. '07 was the worst of that bunch, '12 was the best. '05/'06 were slightly better than '07, but paled in comparison to '12 to '14. It's all subjective, of course. Some beers move towards a sherry flavor from oxidation.
Also it could have been how those older ones have been stored, that's a huge wild card. If a beer is 10 years old, unless you've had it in your possession for that entire time, you never know how many times it's been exposed to light/heat.
I think the "up to 5 years" is a better safe than sorry recommendation. It can be good after that, but the chances that it has fallen off are higher.
― Jeff, Monday, 21 December 2015 15:21 (eight years ago) link
agree w/all that. i did a similar vert two years ago and if '08 goes the same way '05 and '06 did back then it's definitely in the danger zone. i didn't find that anything i would call "good" was happening to bourbon county after about the 3-4 year range.
― call all destroyer, Monday, 21 December 2015 15:41 (eight years ago) link
At the same time, isn't there some variation in the formula from year to year? I can't imagine the '08, fresh, tasted the same as the '15, fresh. Or maybe it did!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 December 2015 16:37 (eight years ago) link
i don't think the base bcbs recipe has changed ever
― call all destroyer, Monday, 21 December 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
I let a $90 bottle of red wine go past its prime waiting for a "special occasion" so now I've dialed back my "special" threshold. I also should have stored it better, but still.
― nickn, Monday, 21 December 2015 18:18 (eight years ago) link
http://www.mashtunjournal.org/2015/12/what-its-worth-rare-bourbon-county-stout/
― Jeff, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 21:00 (eight years ago) link
Hmmm, so if I can get it without the box I will get a 68% discount?
― nickn, Tuesday, 22 December 2015 21:27 (eight years ago) link
Barrel $0.59Barley/Hops $0.49
So that analysis is saying that "ghost whale" 35 year old Heaven Hill barrels that HH didn't know existed is worth the same as the grain bill that went into the base beer? Haha... sorry, but that's a pretty goofy guesstimate. Thanks for the bloggin'.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 22 December 2015 23:19 (eight years ago) link
Same guys who wrote that had a bottle of Rare for sale in their store listed at $120.
― pratt truss it (dan m), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 03:33 (eight years ago) link
At the beer temple?
― Jeff, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 03:55 (eight years ago) link
Maria's
― pratt truss it (dan m), Wednesday, 23 December 2015 03:57 (eight years ago) link
I should say, the guy who posted the article, Ed Marz.
Right! Got it. I know BT was charging pretty much MSRP.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 23 December 2015 04:11 (eight years ago) link
Weirdo beers tonight. The Stone/Sierra NxS, gin/bourbon/rye barrel aged dry hopped IPA. I just got a lot of gin flavor from it, didn't hate it. And Founders Project Pam, maple syrup barrel aged black IPA. I just don't know. I think we've spent too much time in the lab with these.
― Jeff, Friday, 25 December 2015 01:38 (eight years ago) link
I considered Project Pam when I was at the store and struck out on getting any Darkness. Glad I skipped it.
― pratt truss it (dan m), Friday, 25 December 2015 14:41 (eight years ago) link
So has anyone met a certified cicerone? is that one of the dumbest professional certs ever or is it legit, like does it get people jobs?
I think I would like to become a blind test expert in distinguishing between piss lager beers all over the world. Pour Sapporo, Tsingtao, OB, Singha, Tiger, Carlsberg, Heineken, Grolsch, Budweiser, National Bohemian, Yuengling, Grain Belt, Coors Banquet, PBR, Rolling Rock, Lone Star, Milwaukee's Best and Narragansett into identical glasses. I will be able to correctly name each one with complete accuracy. This is going to take a lot of practice.
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 December 2015 18:05 (eight years ago) link
I am looking forward to trying some of these this summer:
http://www.koreacraftbrewery.com/beer
I mean look at the labels this is clearly an excellent source of amazing beverages
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 December 2015 18:09 (eight years ago) link
Everyone at my local bar has at least the certified beer server level, with one at the certified cicerone level. They are certainly knowledgable and the owner sees it as a selling point that all the servers have certification. The Cicerone office is based out of Chicago, so we do have quite a few of them, including 3 out of the 11 that have achieved the master level.
― Jeff, Friday, 25 December 2015 18:23 (eight years ago) link
So I guess it's worth it if you find a place that cares about it.
― Jeff, Friday, 25 December 2015 18:24 (eight years ago) link
If I come back from Seoul without having had one of these then I will be making the face on the labelhttp://www.koreacraftbrewery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/brat_03.jpg
― El Tomboto, Friday, 25 December 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
I know a cicerone too, he used to work for Two Brothers.
― pratt truss it (dan m), Friday, 25 December 2015 22:30 (eight years ago) link
First two beers tonight: Westvleteren 8 and BCBCS. Good start.
― Jeff, Saturday, 26 December 2015 00:02 (eight years ago) link
i hate having to drive on holidays.
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 26 December 2015 00:14 (eight years ago) link
Rumors that BCBCS 15 is infected. I only got one bottle and shared it (no signs of infection)... but the draft pour I had was really viscous and smooth, I believe CAD called it "milkshake" like or frappe-like upthread? Not sure if mouthfeel is affected by young infection or not.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:01 (eight years ago) link
Port City Tidings is not as delicious as I remember it from years past.I may just be getting over spiced belgian stuff, too.
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:03 (eight years ago) link
I only had one bottle of BCBCS and it was delicious.
― Jeff, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:31 (eight years ago) link
drank my only bottle last night. didn't seem as rich as the draft pour but similar flavor.
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 30 December 2015 22:35 (eight years ago) link
http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/423/50570/
Tried this and liked it, although not as much as beer advocate dot com. Slightly too boozy for a farmhouse ale imo, but I'll take that over not boozy enough.
― on entre O.K. on sort K.O. (man alive), Wednesday, 30 December 2015 23:03 (eight years ago) link
found a secret stash and i picked up five bottles of BCBS in L.A. at $11.99 a pop, plus a bottle of the Barleywine for $13.49. they said they were sold out of it, but it looks like someone decided to hide a bottle and i happened to come across it.
― nomar, Thursday, 31 December 2015 23:02 (eight years ago) link
Nice, keep a couple in a cool, dark place and open them in 2-3 years.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 31 December 2015 23:54 (eight years ago) link
Is there a wheat beer revival in the hipster circles yet, why is there no good wheat beer in the western USA, smh
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 1 January 2016 00:08 (eight years ago) link
Also, destroy "sour" beer. Ugfh.
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 1 January 2016 00:09 (eight years ago) link
nah (some) sour beer is good.
― wmlynch, Friday, 1 January 2016 01:23 (eight years ago) link
I wonder if the North Coast Blue Star Wheat Beer is good. I remember liking their Pranqster Belgian Ale, but it's been a while since I've had it.
― o. nate, Friday, 1 January 2016 02:30 (eight years ago) link
This barrel aged Racer 5 is... Intense
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 1 January 2016 02:44 (eight years ago) link
I feel like I should be wearing a baggy hat, waving a wand around
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 1 January 2016 02:49 (eight years ago) link
found a secret stash and i picked up five bottles of BCBS in L.A.
Which store?
― nickn, Friday, 1 January 2016 03:51 (eight years ago) link
BevMo in pasadena, the one on arroyo just north of the 110. Went there because their online stock said they had 55(!) bottle. If you go you may have to ask someone, the dude stocking shelves who hooked me up told me they had more in the back but no one knows about it, they're kinda keeping it on the low. Also the bevmo in west L.A. near Santa Monica and sepulveda had a few bottles last time I checked online.
― nomar, Friday, 1 January 2016 05:54 (eight years ago) link
Tank 7 rules imho
― El Tomboto, Friday, 1 January 2016 05:57 (eight years ago) link
My first beer of 2016 is a mikkeller keeper pils that was just hangin' out in the fridgeCould have done better but we'll be ok
― El Tomboto, Friday, 1 January 2016 06:04 (eight years ago) link