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I think it's time for a boring white guy that he trusts. How can the senate oppose a white guy??

Jeff, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:03 (eight years ago) link

Alan grayson for sc!

Οὖτις, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:09 (eight years ago) link

it's too bad we already got 'the hispanic justice' since otherwise nominating a hispanic person would be a pretty cynical political move

iatee, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:10 (eight years ago) link

What does anyone know about the Sri guy and his legal predilections? He seems the likely replacement pick, but his paper trail is pretty mysterious.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:11 (eight years ago) link

so in the LMGTFY section I found a long list with references which is basically what most clickbait pushers news sites appear to have used to write their "explainers"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_Supreme_Court_candidates#Names_mentioned

I'm going with a black woman under 60, like Loretta Lynch or Kamala Harris. Rope, rope, rope.

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 15 February 2016 01:34 (eight years ago) link

Although JUSTICE ECHO HAWK would be pretty much impossible to beat in the amazing real names + titles category

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Echo_Hawk

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 15 February 2016 01:37 (eight years ago) link

Kamala Harris is about to be a senator from California, and may want to be president at some point, so she's not going to just throw out her political career. Lynch is more of a possibility, but her confirmation took eons.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 15 February 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link

"it's too bad we already got 'the hispanic justice' since otherwise nominating a hispanic person would be a pretty cynical political move"

guess what you can have more than one hispanic person

akm, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link

yeah I don't think Harris will want this; I mean she might want it but I think she might want senator more.

akm, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link

Obama's Scalia Replacement The Poll

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 15 February 2016 01:52 (eight years ago) link

Well keep in mind guys part of the gambit here is that the first person Obama nominates is going to get filibustered into July

Sith Dog (El Tomboto), Monday, 15 February 2016 01:53 (eight years ago) link

guess what you can have more than one hispanic person

yes I realize there are multiple hispanic people in america, however nominating a hispanic person to the court is no longer in itself a historical event

iatee, Monday, 15 February 2016 01:54 (eight years ago) link

Remember when nominating an Italian American like Nino was a big deal.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 03:20 (eight years ago) link

i bet sacco and vanzetti were smiling from heaven rip big men

get a long, little doggy (m bison), Monday, 15 February 2016 03:27 (eight years ago) link

It's cute how Cruz and Rubio both got their "It's been 80 years" talking point so quickly. Rubio claiming it's 80 years of precedence that Supreme Court appointments are not made during the last year of presidential terms when there haven't actually been any (except for LBJ's Chief Justice nominee). They conveniently selected their 80 year figure because there was an appointment in the last year of Hoover's presidency and one twenty years before with Taft.

timellison, Monday, 15 February 2016 04:29 (eight years ago) link

Should have gone with "four score" to make it sound extra inviolable.

the thirteenth floorior (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 February 2016 04:58 (eight years ago) link

David Axelrod:

When the shocking news of Justice Antonin Scalia's passing hit Saturday night, my mind raced back to a White House Correspondents Association dinner seven years ago, when we were seated together.

We bantered about my hometown of Chicago, where he had taught law before ascending to the bench. He opined on wine and music and generally lived up to his reputation as a man who told and enjoyed a good story.

And then our conversation took an unexpected turn.

Justice David Souter, Scalia's longtime colleague on the court, had just announced his retirement, creating a vacancy for President Obama to fill. Scalia figured that as senior adviser to the new president, I might have some influence on the decision -- or at least enough to pass along a message.

"I have no illusions that your man will nominate someone who shares my orientation," said Scalia, then in his 23rd year as the court's leading and most provocative conservative voice. "But I hope he sends us someone smart."

A little taken aback that he was engaging me on the subject, I searched for the right answer, and lamely offered one that signaled my slight discomfort with the topic. "I'm sure he will, Justice Scalia."

He wasn't done. Leaning forward, as if to share a confidential thought, he tried again.

"Let me put a finer point on it," the justice said, in a lower, purposeful tone of voice, his eyes fixed on mine. "I hope he sends us Elena Kagan."

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link

wow had no idea

Mordy, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:07 (eight years ago) link

and somehow he got the Hamdi case right, right?

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42134/antonin-scalia-death-charles-pierce/

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link

and flag burning. And the recent DNA case.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link

"got"--aren't opinions assigned by the chief

a (waterface), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:20 (eight years ago) link

Dissents are not

boxall, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link

try again, washface

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:26 (eight years ago) link

oh i thought the chef assigned everything my bad

a (waterface), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link

chief

a (waterface), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:28 (eight years ago) link

Stevens assigned Hamdi iirc, thinking politically of the impact of a Scalia opinion.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:35 (eight years ago) link

Rehnquist was still on the court for that and Stevens was in dissent anyway

boxall, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:37 (eight years ago) link

that's what I mean: Stevens was senior justice in dissent, which means he assigns the dissent.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:40 (eight years ago) link

That is not how that works. You write in dissent whenever another justice's opinion doesn't say what you think is important. There's no need to come up with a coherent result when you've lost so dissenters don't collaborate the way a fragile majority might.

boxall, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:48 (eight years ago) link

The senior justice in dissent assigns the main opinion for the dissent though. The other justices are still free to write their own dissents or concurrences.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

It's not policy, it's just been tradition.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

The Democrats-started-this-with-Bork line repeated by Republicans is exasperating as fuck. Ads and spokesmen explained what Bork's jurisprudence would have led to: no Brown (although he said he supported the ruling), a constricted view of the 14th Amendment. He got his hearing. His presence on the Court would have altered it and American law; he deserved to be opposed. He got his hearing. He lost 58-42. It wasn't character assassination.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 16:55 (eight years ago) link

I would read anything describing this tradition with great interest (xp)

boxall, Monday, 15 February 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link

Been away and haven't read all of the posts from the last few days. Has this been discussed--

There is no constitutional provision, no case law and no official policy about what the court should do with cases that have been argued and voted on when a justice dies. If the vote in a case that hasn’t yet been handed down was 5 to 4, as one might expect with these controversial rulings, can Scalia cast the deciding vote from beyond the grave to change the way America chooses every legislature in the land or integrates its public universities? A court that cares about its image and constitutional role will not rule in the name of a majority that counts on a dead justice, especially on the core issues of American social life. Such posthumous decisions are so unprecedented they would make Bush v. Gore look like responsible judicial behavior. Chief Justice John Roberts, who in matters entirely internal to the court like this wields some extra power, is known for his concern for institutional prestige, and he would be right to weigh in against issuing opinions based on what Scalia did in past conferences.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/02/13/if-republicans-block-obamas-supreme-court-nomination-he-wins-anyway/?tid=pm_opinions_pop_b

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 February 2016 17:40 (eight years ago) link

from the same article--

The situation is not always good for liberals. Abortion, in a case that has not yet been argued, was subjected to the most onerous restrictions by the normally conservative Fifth Circuit. If the court deadlocks, most of the abortion clinics in Texas would close. On immigration, the court had announced it would take up another case from the conservative Fifth Circuit over whether Obama has the power to stop breaking up families by ordering the government not to deport millions of undocumented immigrants; the lower court ruling blocked Obama’s executive order, so a tie wouldn’t change that.

Most of the country, though, is governed by appeals courts dominated by Democrats. The suit against Obama’s environmental initiative, which the Supreme Court just stayed, came from the liberal D.C. Circuit, which had unanimously refused to grant the stay. Now the Obama administration can simply have the Environmental Protection Agency come up with a slightly different new plan and run to the liberal D.C. courts to bless it and refuse to stay it.

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 February 2016 17:43 (eight years ago) link

the thing about the "some of these 4-4 tie deals will be bad for liberal causes" angle is, those would have been 5-4 decisions in favor of evil with scalia still alive. so it's still better for liberals because they become one-offs rather than precedent for other states in the same position, etc. right?

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:06 (eight years ago) link

On the question of cases they had already voted on, I wonder how many that is at this time of year? I don't know how their process works, whether they hear and decide cases on a rolling basis or sort of save up final decisions on a lot of things until later in the session?

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:16 (eight years ago) link

I guess it would help if I'd read the article:

Normally, justices meet the week a case is argued, and vote on the outcome. So they have most likely already voted on pending cases on apportionment and affirmative action, for example.

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:17 (eight years ago) link

Voting is one thing, drafting the opinions are way more involved but that's what clerks are for.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:41 (eight years ago) link

still feels weird. isn't there always the possibility for some wheeling-and-dealing after the initial vote? bringing people on board, changing people's minds? i dunno. i'm biased obv. but it seems really strange to put somebody's final confirmation on something after they've died. like what if that day in marfa, scalia was droping acid with some kids road-tripping from NOLA to arcosanti and was like ahhhh fuck me, kagan is right about that one?

shandemonium padawan (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:51 (eight years ago) link

"The Center Holds" by James F. Simon is a flawed book, but excellent in its descriptions of the complicated ways these things work (i.e. negotiation all the way through).

Three Word Username, Monday, 15 February 2016 18:57 (eight years ago) link

xpost

Yeah, that column concludes that Roberts (among others) would probably be uncomfortable issuing rulings decided by a dead man's vote. You can imagine the jokes -- "The Supreme Court has relocated to Chicago!"

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link

Melvin Urofsky, who wrote an outstanding Brandeis bio (the only one readily available) a few years ago, published Dissent and the Supreme Court a few months ago, a meticulous account of the evolution of dissents through the Marshall Court, John Marshall Harlan, Brandeis and Holmes, Frankfurter, Brennan...and Nino.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 February 2016 18:59 (eight years ago) link

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-4-4-supreme-court-could-be-good-for-unions-and-voting-rights-advocates/

rundown of how some of the upcoming cases might be affected

k3vin k., Tuesday, 16 February 2016 03:03 (eight years ago) link

I am not sure how I feel about trolling the only black person currently sitting on the Supreme Court, particularly by using another black person.

its subtle brume (DJP), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:52 (eight years ago) link

yea fuck that

marcos, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:53 (eight years ago) link

yeah, agreed, c'mon, man. Don't treat her like Harriet Miers.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:54 (eight years ago) link

also i know bald hypocrisy is just SOP so i don't even know why im asking but are there any recent interviews in which someone simply asks one of these republicans "if this was a republican president would you still be saying we need to wait until after the election?" just curious

marcos, Tuesday, 16 February 2016 14:57 (eight years ago) link


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