Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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YES bye fucker

stet, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link

He has royally stuck the boot into Osborne too.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

Imagine being Cameron and bottling having sacked IDS time and time again for him to then go and do that.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link

lol ids resigned in protest of the disability cuts. i didn't know he had an ounce of compassion in him, apparently he isn't a complete scumbag

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/iain-duncan-smith-has-resigned/

uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:10 (eight years ago) link

apparently he isn't a complete scumbag

I wouldn't go that far

Lionel Richie the Wardrobe (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:13 (eight years ago) link

He is a complete scumbag, but Osborne is the consummate scumbag.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:15 (eight years ago) link

that's true.

quite indicative of how egregious using disability cuts to fund a middle-class tax-break is that the axe-man himself blanches

uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:19 (eight years ago) link

How much is positioning re: Brexit fallout rather than genuine concern? It's taken him a fucking long time to find any kind of conscience.

Lionel Richie the Wardrobe (Nasty, Brutish & Short), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link

So that first wave of cuts and unfair sanctions that disenfranchised many, put many into poverty and some into death were alright? I have seen him defend them enough times to see he was having no trouble sleeping.

calzino, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:23 (eight years ago) link

I suppose, as a Eurosceptic, he now has time to focus on that campaign. Then be positioned to be a cabinet minister in the government of the next Tory leader - in case of Brexit you'd imagine Cameron would step down.

uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link

Chancellor to Boris's PM. Eugh. Nightmare fuel.

uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:25 (eight years ago) link

It's definitely about Brexit this but he was handed a massive weapon by the Budget.

People who know him say he genuinely thought the welfare reforms would help people (and ignored the evidence) but has increasingly thought Treasury cuts to them were undermining them. Remember he came up with these PIP changes; he just didn't like them being rushed.

stet, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:31 (eight years ago) link

Also to do with the fact that Osborne loathes him and would sack him in a nanosecond if he became leader.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:35 (eight years ago) link

I'm not convinced Cameron will be too distraught at any woes of Osborne's - his legacy will be leading the Conservative party back to power, and (he hopes) sorting the EU vote - he might be annoyed at having to choose between "well the great work will broadly continue, this is a salient note from our esteemed colleague" and "well it's possible that George has let it all get to him, not everyone's suited for the big decisions you know".

I could always be projecting based on the fact that I can't imagine anyone actually liking George Osborne, of course.

IDS the secret socialist at the end is fuckin hilarious, of course.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link

People who know him say he genuinely thought the welfare reforms would help people

yeah, the "easterhouse epiphany". seeing a glasgow scheme made him cry, but his solution to the problem of poverty, unemployment, and benefits-dependency was to give the poor less money.

uncle tenderlegdrop (jim in glasgow), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:37 (eight years ago) link

(I say 'of course' a lot, but you'll have spotted that)

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:38 (eight years ago) link

Cameron will be unsettled that some direct charges are laid at his door in the letter. His whole approach since becoming PM has been to let others take the flak ensuring none of it sticks to him

stet, Friday, 18 March 2016 21:39 (eight years ago) link

Three days late for the 'beware the IDS of March' headlines.

Ultimately, concern or otherwise, he'd end up catching the fallout for the cuts and has little reason to stay and continue to be the face of the party's least popular policies.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Friday, 18 March 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link

What happens now I wonder. Osborne looks weak if he gives in, but he can't hold the line with this majority.

stet, Friday, 18 March 2016 22:20 (eight years ago) link

Lonely guy just thinking baout things

http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/pictures/643xAny/2/3/5/41235_IAIN_DUNCAN_SMITH.jpg

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Friday, 18 March 2016 22:24 (eight years ago) link

'As I walk on
Through troubled times
My spirit gets so downhearted sometimes....'

Mark G, Friday, 18 March 2016 22:32 (eight years ago) link

Do tax cuts, threshold changes and cuts to capital gains tax which have been announced have to go through parliamentary votes? Or are they just in place if they are announced by the chancellor?

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Friday, 18 March 2016 22:48 (eight years ago) link

I believe so, and that its usually a formality..

Then again, you know what they say about Tory revolts?

Mark G, Friday, 18 March 2016 22:51 (eight years ago) link

Anyway, "The last leg" coming up 'live' on c4+1, can imagine the dancing..

Mark G, Friday, 18 March 2016 22:54 (eight years ago) link

The implicit assumption here is that other vulnerable groups effectively choose their position, therefore it's fine cut state provision for them. Whereas no one chooses to be disabled.

Matt DC, Friday, 18 March 2016 23:08 (eight years ago) link

IDS is a cunt, this is all just politics. But the EU referendum is setting Tory against Tory and they're such venal fucks by nature that there will be blood.

Cuck C Johnson (stevie), Friday, 18 March 2016 23:10 (eight years ago) link

Its the one issue that has been their poison, every time things are going 'quite well' for them.

Mark G, Friday, 18 March 2016 23:41 (eight years ago) link

Is this the real reason why IDS has resigned?

IDS loses legal challenge to keep Universal Credit problems secret
http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/03/17/ids-loses-legal-challenge-to-keep-universal-credit-problems
March 17th

NOT been repeated by the BBC & Newspapers

djmartian, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:13 (eight years ago) link

Radio 5 Live are now broadcasting this news

djmartian, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:16 (eight years ago) link

thank fucking christ

Laertiades (imago), Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:25 (eight years ago) link

Do tax cuts, threshold changes and cuts to capital gains tax which have been announced have to go through parliamentary votes?

Yes, they do -- and losing that vote is usually grounds for the government falling (possibly with a no confidence motion first) because a Govt that can't pass Treasury bills can't govern. But not sure how that works in the post-Fixed Term Parliaments world. The Tories wouldn't revolt on the budget bill though; they're not that suicidal

stet, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:31 (eight years ago) link

has sven even heard of SHEFFIELD

Laertiades (imago), Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:31 (eight years ago) link

re: Radio 5 Live are now broadcasting this news

to clarify this was a journalist? speaking to stephen nolan. I don't know who she was didn't catch her name.

Not mentioned in the news bulletin.

Last June

Universal Credit cost soars to £16billion: Watchdog sounds alarm bells over project set to take 9 years
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/universal-credit-cost-soars-16billion-5950976

what is it now?

djmartian, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:35 (eight years ago) link

latest
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/iain-duncan-smith-resigns-live-7587449

Cameron confirms u-turn on PIP cuts in "puzzled" response to IDS

David Cameron has replied to Iain Duncan Smith’s resignation, in a letter sent from Downing Street - appearing to confirm that he had agreed with the Work and Pensions Secretary that cuts to disabled benefits - which IDS blamed for his departure - would be shelved.

The PM said he was “puzzled and disappointed” at the welfare slasher’s decision.

He signs the letter off: Yours, David.

includes Cameron's Letter

Pip mentioned - "not to proceed with these changes"

djmartian, Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:45 (eight years ago) link

Thanks, Stet. I'm not so sure they aren't that suicidal at the moment or at least I hope they are.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:56 (eight years ago) link

It's a foolish hope, I know.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Saturday, 19 March 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link

context:

Fighting the ‘fortress mentality’ at DWP – my search for the truth about Universal Credit
IT programme manager and freedom-of-information campaigner John Slater reflects on his four-year battle to force the Department for Work and Pensions to release key documents
http://www.computerweekly.com/opinion/Fighting-the-fortress-mentality-at-DWP-my-search-for-the-truth-about-Universal-Credit

djmartian, Saturday, 19 March 2016 01:04 (eight years ago) link

Such a strange feeling, to have a job, when IDS does not

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 March 2016 10:03 (eight years ago) link

I don't see any great change from cruelty to compassion here - it's more like it vaguely dawns on him that his schtick is not working and not popular, and he's associated with a troubled brand

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 March 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link

Still good riddance, just not saying it attaches any virtue to him

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 March 2016 10:26 (eight years ago) link

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborne-forced-cancel-photoshoot-7586576#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Instead of the planned ‘walkabout’, the Millionaire MPs donned hard hats and hi-vis vests but hid from chanting protesters in a makeshift office in a metal container for two hours at Northumberland Park Station in Tottenham.

Tory aides then instructed Transport for London engineers to dig a hole for the photoshoot on industrial land out of shouting distance of the irate group.

Sources told the Mirror engineers even had to check the site for gas pipes before the “pointless hole” was dug.

Fizzles, Saturday, 19 March 2016 10:37 (eight years ago) link

IDS has always come across like the kind of person who likes to think of himself as compassionate but has no idea of what the praxis entails (cf "good lefties"). I tend to agree this is just a Brexit manoeuvre

Wonder how Labour will contrive to fuck up this golden opportunity

cher guevara (lex pretend), Saturday, 19 March 2016 10:39 (eight years ago) link

I think he is actually stupid enough to genuinely believe some of the moralising guff that comes out of his mouth.

This should be natural territory for Corbyn, although I'm guessing some disgruntled backbencher will start parping up about needing to show they can be tougher on welfare right about now.

This year there's been a conspicuous lack of Grauniad clapping seals praising Osborne for his supposed centrism and canny political operating. If anything it suggests that he perceived so little threat from Labour (and perceived more from the right of his party) that he got complacent about looking nasty.

This is probably a Brexit thing deep down, but I suspect IDS has been bearing a grudge for sometime about that Osborne quote about him being "just not clever enough", and waiting for a moment to try and humiliate him.

Tory fratricide is never not funny though.

Matt DC, Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:19 (eight years ago) link

Tory fratricide is never not funny though.

^^^^

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:21 (eight years ago) link

The Cameron letter to IDS suggested the cuts to disability benefits simply weren't going to take place, which has to be one of the fastest reversals on record.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:26 (eight years ago) link

Cameron has pretty much hung his Chancellor out to dry here.

Matt DC, Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:27 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwZciH3hx-A

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 March 2016 12:33 (eight years ago) link


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