Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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Expect Crabb to run for leader now.

Also expect something major to crash - whether that's the economy, the NHS, or social services in a significant way to harm the govt. If its all three and Corbyn happens to survive I will laugh at Britishes as they either keeping voting Tory and hate doing so, or at least consider voting for something even vaguely left wing. xp

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

He knows a bit about handouts though:

During the 2009 parliamentary expenses scandal, it was revealed that Crabb claimed £8,049 on the refurbishment of his flat in London, including "£500 for a goose down duvet and corner TV unit."[24]. He then sold the flat for a profit and "flipped" his second home expenses claim to cover a house that was being purchased for his family in Pembrokeshire, allowing him to claim £9,300 in stamp duty and £1,325 per month in interest on its mortgage.[24] A room in another flat of a fellow MP was designated as his main home and he paid half of the rent there.[24] At the time he said, "I haven’t claimed for things like plasma TVs, even though the rules allow it. My claims were always within the letter and the spirit of the rules."[24]

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

fuck working class Tories obv but they're just fuckwits, generally, and lack the smug, oblivious belief in the natural disposability of the poor that yr thoroughbred toffs effortlessly convey

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 19 March 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link

Well, it's looking down on people from a distance vs trying to fuck people over from close range isn't it

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 March 2016 17:58 (eight years ago) link

Also beware working class mannerisms and traits carefully preserved from two generations ago, and now employed by this generation of a now wealthy family to give themselves authenticity. 'I want to do up my bloody lounge' is harder to refute than 'I want another yacht' as far as 'reasons people give for not wanting to pay tax' go

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 19 March 2016 18:04 (eight years ago) link

Wondering how anyone could sell an expenses-fiddler called Crabb as a potential leader.

jedi slimane (suzy), Saturday, 19 March 2016 19:14 (eight years ago) link

Tory fratricide is never not funny though.

pensions minister Ros Altmann puts the boot into IDS:

http://www.genesysdownload.co.uk/rosaltmann/Personal_Statement_by_Pensions_Minister.pdf

soref, Saturday, 19 March 2016 23:59 (eight years ago) link

Woah.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Sunday, 20 March 2016 00:14 (eight years ago) link

Weird they're all going "doesn't he realise we're rethinking this terrible policy?" like none of them thought it up.

onimo, Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:04 (eight years ago) link

New line from IDS camp is that cancelling the policy doesn't matter because he was being told to find a way to cut the same amount

stet, Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:21 (eight years ago) link

Since they made £1bn cuts to working tax credits last week without a parliamentary debate and in spite of their "U turn" I dare say that line is very true.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Sunday, 20 March 2016 01:29 (eight years ago) link

there's something beautifully Duncan Smith-ish about the way nobody, even on his own side, believes he resigned because of principle or compassion

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 March 2016 08:20 (eight years ago) link

Shailesh Vara, who is pro-EU iirc, just released a statement of support for IDS contradicting Altmann, so idk what is going on at the moment.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Sunday, 20 March 2016 08:59 (eight years ago) link

the best we can hope for is some sort of breakdown that's going to transform him into a combination of Joseph Rowntree and David Icke

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 March 2016 09:03 (eight years ago) link

David Rowntree? Oh that's the Blur drummer.

Mark G, Sunday, 20 March 2016 09:54 (eight years ago) link

there's something beautifully Duncan Smith-ish about the way nobody, even on his own side, believes he resigned because of principle or compassion

Sometimes I wonder if anyone even reads Julia Hartley-Brewer's Twitter account.

nashwan, Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:28 (eight years ago) link

Still no mention of the UC court case from the BBC.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:30 (eight years ago) link

... instead it's all, "The interview with Andrew Marr showed conclusively that Iain Duncan Smith is a man of principle, who came into government to help the poorest and most disadvantaged in society".

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:32 (eight years ago) link

Labour don't appear to be fucking this up (yet).

jedi slimane (suzy), Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:42 (eight years ago) link

Goldsmith and Osborne's mayoral campaigning going about as well as can be expected:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborne-forced-cancel-photoshoot-7586576#ICID=sharebar_twitter

Instead of the planned ‘walkabout’, the Millionaire MPs donned hard hats and hi-vis vests but hid from chanting protesters in a makeshift office in a metal container for two hours at Northumberland Park Station in Tottenham.

Tory aides then instructed Transport for London engineers to dig a hole for the photoshoot on industrial land out of shouting distance of the irate group.

Sources told the Mirror engineers even had to check the site for gas pipes before the “pointless hole” was dug.

Eventually Osborne and a sheepish-looking Zac Goldsmith dashed out of the container in to a Range Rover Discovery which drove them just 100 metres to the hole as protesters shouted “shame on you”.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:42 (eight years ago) link

Superb.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 11:44 (eight years ago) link

Labour don't appear to be fucking this up (yet).

― jedi slimane (suzy), Sunday, March 20, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The Labour right are keeping quiet so far.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:31 (eight years ago) link

still mourning IDS/benefit cuts

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:32 (eight years ago) link

Black day for them.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:34 (eight years ago) link

Who will tickle Frank Field under the chin now?

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:37 (eight years ago) link

Is Chuka Umunna on the right, for the purposes of this exercise? because he's been giving IDS both barrels all weekend, and even before the resignation.

jedi slimane (suzy), Sunday, 20 March 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link

I am completely in agreement with what Chuka has been saying on IDS, but it is all a bit empty + lacking conviction coming out of his mouth.

calzino, Sunday, 20 March 2016 14:13 (eight years ago) link

is chuka the most bored politician ever?

anyway...It has been reported that Crabb began his career as an intern at CARE – Christian Action Research and Education, a controversial organisation that offers gay cure therapy with the promise of making its participants ‘ex-gay.’ Despite telling the Telegraph in 2012 that he does not ‘support or endorse any views about “gay cure” theology,’ Crabb has failed to distance himself from CARE, even hiring political interns through the organisation. He also voted against marriage equality legislation in 2013.

http://attitude.co.uk/dwp-minister-stephen-crabb-mp-linked-to-fundamentalist-gay-cure-therapy-organisation/

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Sunday, 20 March 2016 22:04 (eight years ago) link

it didn't enter my mind that he might not be gay, tbh, so now it's even more obvious.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Sunday, 20 March 2016 22:09 (eight years ago) link

A "senior cabinet source" has apparently told the Times that Cameron is blaming Osborne for "messing up" the cuts and that he would pay with his reputation.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:01 (eight years ago) link

My only moan from this weekend is that I only got 2 numbers on the lottery

calzino, Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:08 (eight years ago) link

Heh

Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link

Two more than George Osborne.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:20 (eight years ago) link

Yes, this has been a good weekend.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:28 (eight years ago) link

A "senior cabinet source" has apparently told the Times that Cameron is blaming Osborne for "messing up" the cuts and that he would pay with his reputation.

― On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:01 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's almost as if he'd never read and approved it all prior.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Sunday, 20 March 2016 23:30 (eight years ago) link

Cameron's fate and reputation is pretty much tied to Osborne's, Osborne has been responsible for the whole direction of the government, pretty much, presumably with Cameron's full support. He can't sack him now without looking like a failure himself, he especially can't sack him three months before an EU referendum, but he also can't have a discredited chancellor shitting up the whole pro-EU message and potentially ending his Premiership in the process. Trying to ride it out and limit the damage is pretty much his only option.

Any potential Boris administration is hardly likely to be defined by the dry rhetoric of tough choices and deficit reduction, he just isn't that kind of politician. Even if he continues with austerity in practice there will be flourishes and grand vanity projects and a start-of-a-new-golden-age narrative. Can't work out if most of the country will see straight through it or lap that shit up.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 08:37 (eight years ago) link

Rawnsley in the Observer yesterday was speculating that the main reason for the IDS resignation was his getting out before he was set up as the fall guy for Osborne's mistakes, which seems very plausible even though IDS made a boatload of his own. Meanwhile they've still got a big pile of expensive Universal Credit shit on the table and no palatable options for dealing with it - either get rid of the whole project and look insanely profligate, or proceed with the whole thing and risk the sort of disaster than brings down governments.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 08:41 (eight years ago) link

it's potnetially a Poll Tax-level of toxic policy fuck-up

Gaz upon my works ye mighty, and despair (Neil S), Monday, 21 March 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link

potentially even

Gaz upon my works ye mighty, and despair (Neil S), Monday, 21 March 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link

I suspect the damage to Osborne over the recent cuts won't be as critical or long-lasting as expected. A bit of public penitence, a sense that lessons have been learned, etc and he'll continue as he was. The government's economic credibility is too heavily tied up in him as a Chancellor to make any significant changes.

This has always been the problem on the horizon, though - there's only so long you can blame Labour profligacy for cuts and the more you sell the idea of the strength of the British economy, the harder it is to portray cuts as anything other than ideological. I think he has probably confused a public willingness to accept reduced welfare and local government spending as a perceived necessity with an active appetite for them.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 08:51 (eight years ago) link

I don't even think the public has that. It wants an end to the welfare fraud and benefit scrounging and "never working in your life" it has been told are endemic, but it doesn't want the cases it's sympathetic to being cut.

The Tories want the latter and think the public are the same. That's what has started to unravel, I think.

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 09:27 (eight years ago) link

Also, perpetual austerity (which is what the govt pretty much wants), sends the impression that things just aren't getting that much better. That's going to wear on voters sooner or later, not to mention the fact that they'll start asking why. They're already doing so.

I suspect the damage to Osborne over the recent cuts won't be as critical or long-lasting as expected. A bit of public penitence, a sense that lessons have been learned, etc and he'll continue as he was

It is now very unlikely that he'll be the next leader of the Conservative Party or PM. That's a big fall from where he was last autumn. Nothing I can see about the Tories suggests they're in the mood for a continuity candidate right now.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:12 (eight years ago) link

cool if the public are starting to catch on 50 months before next general election

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link

xp, that was

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link

They aren't exactly well stocked with alternatives. Johnson has staked his credibility on Brexit, the up-and-coming Patel / Raab axis is actively evil and there's a lot of dead wood in the cabinet / back benches.

Osborne is so central to their relationship with the city anything that shifts him out is a risk.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:29 (eight years ago) link

the up-and-coming Patel / Raab axis

Don't fancy the UK becoming Singapore? Well, tough.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:34 (eight years ago) link

Weird the Sun standing alone with an "NHS scroungers" story this morning. Are they sympathetic to Osborne? Murdoch sure isn't - cf the Times

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:35 (eight years ago) link

Johnson will survive an "In" vote; it's exactly the sort of thing he can shrug off with a "well, we tried our best and now we 47% will battle to make Europe work for us we will never uh uh er surrender"

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:37 (eight years ago) link

Johnson has staked his credibility on Brexit, the up-and-coming Patel / Raab axis is actively evil and there's a lot of dead wood in the cabinet / back benches.

Struggling to see why any of these issues would prevent the Tories from voting them in, especially if there's a concerted anti-Osborne movement. There'll be an anti-Boris movement as well obviously, which does increase the likelihood of someone really toxic like Dominic Raab somehow winning. The big winner over the last week or so is probably Theresa May though.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:40 (eight years ago) link


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