Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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Weird the Sun standing alone with an "NHS scroungers" story this morning. Are they sympathetic to Osborne? Murdoch sure isn't - cf the Times

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:35 (eight years ago) link

Johnson will survive an "In" vote; it's exactly the sort of thing he can shrug off with a "well, we tried our best and now we 47% will battle to make Europe work for us we will never uh uh er surrender"

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:37 (eight years ago) link

Johnson has staked his credibility on Brexit, the up-and-coming Patel / Raab axis is actively evil and there's a lot of dead wood in the cabinet / back benches.

Struggling to see why any of these issues would prevent the Tories from voting them in, especially if there's a concerted anti-Osborne movement. There'll be an anti-Boris movement as well obviously, which does increase the likelihood of someone really toxic like Dominic Raab somehow winning. The big winner over the last week or so is probably Theresa May though.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 10:40 (eight years ago) link

Tory party has definitely been hugely helped by Cameronnosborne staying tight for a whole decade. Things might start coming apart quite quickly if they start sniping like Blairnbrown.

I just hope Corbynnmcdonnell don't go the same way after several years in downing street :-/

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:40 (eight years ago) link

Think no pro-remain candidate will win the tory leadership, *especially* if the vote is to stay.

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:41 (eight years ago) link

It is now very unlikely that he'll be the next leader of the Conservative Party or PM. That's a big fall from where he was last autumn Wednesday.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 10:43 (eight years ago) link

Govt not going to oppose rebel amendments to the Budget, this'll get fun

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 11:53 (eight years ago) link

David Davis now getting his money's worth.

He said Osborne had no chance of replacing David Cameron as party leader in the near future. Asked if Osborne’s chances of becoming prime minister were finished, he replied:
Not ever. If the leadership election were to be in the next six months, I think he would be sunk without trace.
He also said it might make sense to move Osborne to another post.

Very, very few people go straight from being chancellor to being prime minister, and when they do, it’s not always a success. Gordon Brown was the last one.
He said that James Callaghan did other jobs after leaving the Treasury (home secretary and foreign secretary) and that he was “given the circumstances, a very successful prime minister”.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 11:58 (eight years ago) link

No 10 now saying it has "complete confidence" in Osborne. popcorn.gif

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 12:01 (eight years ago) link

Ah, we are at the Football Manager stage, right?

Mark G, Monday, 21 March 2016 12:13 (eight years ago) link

p.s. What's a "successful" Prime Minister?

Mark G, Monday, 21 March 2016 12:13 (eight years ago) link

Not James Callaghan surely?

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 12:15 (eight years ago) link

I mean, Winter of Discontent/Unburied Corpses/Binbags in Leicester Square/ Sned in the Army and Make Prince Philip Head of State blah blah blah

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 12:16 (eight years ago) link

You don't get a "successful" Prime Minister.

People might look back after twenty years and say "ah, he wasn't so bad"

Mark G, Monday, 21 March 2016 12:18 (eight years ago) link

Callaghan did a reasonable job of keeping a minority government going through very tough economic times but I suspect Tories are likely to look fondly on him because he led directly to 11 years of Thatcher.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 12:38 (eight years ago) link

Its just funny to contemplate a demotion for Osborne - never work, he is absolutely central to these shits at the Treasury.

Fucker must be in a bunker somewhere.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:02 (eight years ago) link

Cameron has cancelled his statement today; Osborne due to speak tomorrow.

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:04 (eight years ago) link

Conflicting reports, no 10 has said its going ahead.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:08 (eight years ago) link

John McDonnell has tabled an urgent question in the Commons today, to be answered by David 'Short Straw' Gauke. I assume Osborne is in a darkened room somewhere, knees pulled up to his chin, rocking back and forth and saying."Mummy daddy" over and over again.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 13:28 (eight years ago) link

Or higher than Goering

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link

Now seems like a good time for the most prominent proponent of free schools outside the government to start talking about eugenics.

https://mobile.twitter.com/toadmeister/status/699336901820551170

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:20 (eight years ago) link

what in the everloving fuck

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:26 (eight years ago) link

even for toby young that's a whole new level of clueless cuntery

Upset by racist left wingers calling me an egg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:27 (eight years ago) link

It's okay it's only "progressive"

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:28 (eight years ago) link

Surely Toby understands that any rational eugenics scheme would be aiming to remove his genes from the pool

someone who just gets annoyed at bad tweets (stevie), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:32 (eight years ago) link

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/13/article-2002963-02AB563800000578-811_233x386.jpg

And it’s probable that in the next few years genetic research scientists will produce even more evidence that important aspects of people’s personalities—including those that determine whether they succeed or fail—are linked to their genes, with the relevant variants being physically identified.

tbf the sooner we find and eradicate the genetic soup which led to the formation of toby young the better

Upset by racist left wingers calling me an egg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link

beaten to it by stevie

Upset by racist left wingers calling me an egg (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 March 2016 14:34 (eight years ago) link

I propose a new question for all IQ tests: "do you believe in IQ as a useful measure of anything?", positive response leads to score docked by 50 points.

ledge, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:42 (eight years ago) link

#notallmensa

nashwan, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:48 (eight years ago) link

#yesallmensa

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link

Mensa Rights Activism

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

^ Joe Dolce discovers reddit

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 15:50 (eight years ago) link

George Osborne's Budget is in "absolute chaos" and should be withdrawn, shadow chancellor John McDonnell says.

Mr McDonnell was asking an urgent question about changes to the Budget including the decision to shelve disability benefit cuts.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 15:52 (eight years ago) link

Gauke wants to be next chancellor so so bad

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:02 (eight years ago) link

TS: Ken Clarke, "Gimmicky budgets will lead to ruin" vs David Bowie, "Idiot love will spark the fusion"

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:06 (eight years ago) link

Classic Osborne actually - letting this Gauke nobody take the heat while he comes up with monopoly money (which he has done in the past, and I'm sure that is what he is getting his civil servants to do now)

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:08 (eight years ago) link

David Gauke says the government will set out its plans in the Autumn Statement.

... which is in November. Unbelievable.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:11 (eight years ago) link

Labour should stop asking this nobody questions until Gideon turns up. Complete waste of time.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:12 (eight years ago) link

I know it's not the burning issue of the moment, but if I can go back to that Toby Young piece:

cognitive ability and other characteristics that lead to success, such as conscientiousness, impulse control and a willingness to defer gratification, are between 40 per cent and 80 per cent heritable.[5]

That footnote leads not to a citation of a scientific paper, but this helpful little explanation:

[5] This means that between 40% and 80% of the variation in these characteristics in any given population can be accounted for by genetic differences in that population.

Sadly, no. Accent, for example, is highly heritable (also, like IQ, correlated with race, class, education, and largely fixed after adolescence). Does it have a genetic component? Nope.

ledge, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link

(and that is really the crux of his argument)

ledge, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:14 (eight years ago) link

Hey Gauke dude. what the fuck is wrong with you?

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:25 (eight years ago) link

PM defends the work of the Chancellor "we can only improve life chances if our economy is secure and strong"

The government will continue to give the "highest priority to improving life chances", David Cameron says.

The government will "take more people out of tax, rebuild sink estates, improve life chances, and reform prisons".

"Without sound public finances, you end up having to cut spending and put up taxes. You don’t get more life chances that way; you get fewer."

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:41 (eight years ago) link

cut spending and put up taxes, huh that sounds familiar

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:42 (eight years ago) link

rebuild sink estates,

Stay classy, Dave.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Monday, 21 March 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link

Rebuild Cinque Estates

Mark G, Monday, 21 March 2016 16:51 (eight years ago) link

That was some good parliament games from the Tories there; Gauke rallies the troops, then Cameron praises IDS and dodges what were not Corbyn's best jabs

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:03 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/montie/status/711890797772345345

i must admit i am v impressed by the logical contortions involved here

Cooper and Kendall would have abstained the hell of them.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link


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