Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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That was some good parliament games from the Tories there; Gauke rallies the troops, then Cameron praises IDS and dodges what were not Corbyn's best jabs

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:03 (eight years ago) link

https://twitter.com/montie/status/711890797772345345

i must admit i am v impressed by the logical contortions involved here

Cooper and Kendall would have abstained the hell of them.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 17:11 (eight years ago) link

*out of them

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 17:12 (eight years ago) link

From the commentary Corbyn has been p/lame apparently, but its The Guardian saying it and I hate parliament.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:28 (eight years ago) link

Not mentioning IDS at all is p. weird and has all his haters out in force. But it did focus all the discussion on Osborne for a while at least

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Does feel like a wasted opportunity though

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 17:30 (eight years ago) link

Not really, a lot of ppl complaining re: Corbyn hate him. He doesn't have some 'killer instinct' or isn't Paxo. We know that.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 18:36 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, he is never going to "perform" but at this point in the parliament I don't think that matters very much at all

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 March 2016 18:52 (eight years ago) link

Accoring to the commentariat (and the Lab right, natch) all the useless ppl "performed".

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link

Insulting someone's clothes counts as 'performing' in that shithouse.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link

Press keeping hammering the Osborne line so poss even savvier than I give him credit for

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:06 (eight years ago) link

What is the Osborne line?

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link

That Cameron had to defend him, that he didn't show up, that he is running scared etc.

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link

Right, you mean Corbyn's Osborne line not, er, Osborne's Osborne line.(xp) lol

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:12 (eight years ago) link

Well, that "no further welfare cuts planned" line isn't going to backfire spectacularly at all is it?

The very fact that a member of the government has had to say that at all indicates a very sharp change in the political weather in the space of one week. It's a pretty desperate move but Cameron's entire edifice is in danger of collapsing here.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:19 (eight years ago) link

Cameron should ditch the hapless ringers and just hold up a big picture of a kitten with NO MORE CUTS written on it.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link

are they going to pass the budget? we only need around 10 rebels to vote against.

pastoral fantasy (jed_), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:22 (eight years ago) link

Given that would probably bring down the government and trigger an immediate general election I'd imagine most Tory MPs would be a little squeamish about the prospect.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:29 (eight years ago) link

Don't fully understand how the new legislation works but aren't they basically locked in unless no confidenced by a big majority?

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:40 (eight years ago) link

Treasury has already rolled back the "no welfare cuts" line, so he is alive in there somewhere

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link

Xp legislation probably works as well as the welfare cap does. Was that ever passed btw?

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:42 (eight years ago) link

Failing to get a budget passed would be expected to trigger resignations under most circumstances.

xps

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link

As I say, I've got no idea

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:43 (eight years ago) link

Can't find the last unbalanced budget that passed either tho

stet, Monday, 21 March 2016 19:44 (eight years ago) link

are they going to pass the budget? we only need around 10 rebels to vote against.

What, Nick Clegg is going to vote the Budget down?

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:48 (eight years ago) link

Good title for a spiritual

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Monday, 21 March 2016 19:50 (eight years ago) link

lol

Nick Clegg goin to vote the budget down, my saviour
Nick Clegg goin vote the budget down

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 21 March 2016 20:31 (eight years ago) link

We'll all be there and we won't have a care
When Nick Clegg gone votethebudget down, down, down, down...

Mark G, Monday, 21 March 2016 20:38 (eight years ago) link

A view from the 18th century

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Monday, 21 March 2016 22:49 (eight years ago) link

The view from the 21st century left isn't doing it either

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 22:55 (eight years ago) link

"hard choices" is a flag.

The experience of Syriza - all those lawyers -- did 'em good when the might of the Eurozone came marchign down

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 22:58 (eight years ago) link

If only the Labour right started tweeting against the real enemy.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 21 March 2016 23:01 (eight years ago) link

when the might of the Eurozone came marchign down

another spiritual!

Oh they scattered and they ran, lord, the whole of Pharaoh's myriad
When the might of the Eurozone came marching down from Gilead

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 08:10 (eight years ago) link

The Miliband team made a complete arse of the actual process of campaign strategy and planning, and they had the best part of five years to prepare and probably a more experienced operation in place. I don't think you need to be some kind of pissy New Statesman twat to suspect that Corbyn's team is perhaps not adequately prepared for a general election that could arrive this year.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 09:30 (eight years ago) link

if it goes to a general election this year - no way, imo - then the Tories will have done half their job for them

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 09:35 (eight years ago) link

The Tories are in utter disarray if there is ever a gen election this year. Don't think we'll get to that.

On burying bad news then - I guess the Brussels attacks will have an effect on today's proceedings?

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 09:46 (eight years ago) link

I suppose the issue for any incoming Tory leader will be avoiding the Gordon Brown trap, which might mean an election sooner rather than later, but obviously everything hinges on Brexit. If Britain votes to stay in then it's 50:50 whether Cameron will appear to be triumphantly vindicated or stagger on through four years of increasingly frequent attacks from both sides.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 09:57 (eight years ago) link

Given the polling it's easy to see a narrow win for In that leaves Cameron with a furious Tory version of the 45ers

stet, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 10:45 (eight years ago) link

They'd take 55/45 now.

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 10:48 (eight years ago) link

http://thebaffler.com/salvos/despair-fatigue-david-graeber

I've been living with this piece for a few days now. Bits of it seem off, sometimes way off. But as a whole I think this is a very insightful examination of where we are now.

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 11:38 (eight years ago) link

graeber is generally 70% otm, 30% wtf man are you high or something

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 11:55 (eight years ago) link

idk, i can seemingly get behind the main thrust while disagreeing with almost all of the key points.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 12:00 (eight years ago) link

I can see that too, up to a point, I feel an ambivalence but he's broadly right about class and he's v right that despair is a luxury for the privileged

Szechuan TV (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 12:10 (eight years ago) link

Tories, nice peoples

"The thing about George is that a lot of people think he's a bit arrogant and rude, but that's because they don't really know him.

"Well I've worked with him pretty closely for several years now and so I know that the truth is that in person he's actually much worse than that."

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 12:15 (eight years ago) link

I can see that too, up to a point, I feel an ambivalence but he's broadly right about class and he's v right that despair is a luxury for the privileged

The growing undercurrent of radicalism (both on the streets and in a return to serious discussion of socialist economic models) seems overstated to me and there is a danger in assuming any reaction of the un-privileged is going to be egalitarian. As much as i would like both things to be true, it's seems plausible that the despair of the increasingly marginalised could either be co-opted to drive further social atomisation in return for a shot at a share of the pie (as with the other radical he mentions, Thatcher) or channeled into a kind of 'fuck everything' Trump / UKIP nihilism. He's probably right that this is the most fertile ground socialism has had to grow in a couple of decades but the perception that the world is on a slow, endless trudge into the abyss is going to be extremely hard to overcome.

On a Raqqa tip (ShariVari), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 12:44 (eight years ago) link

a+

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link

xpost but also not!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 22 March 2016 12:55 (eight years ago) link

Osborne is winding up now.

He says this is a One Nation budget. It devolves power, and supports our children’s future.

It cuts taxes, he says. It delivers security and looks to the future. It is a One Nation, compassionate budget.

Tory MPs are bellowing like cattle: “More”.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 22 March 2016 13:42 (eight years ago) link


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