Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/will-the-brussels-attacks-tip-the-brexit-scales.html#

Have we done a Brexit thread btw?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:35 (eight years ago) link

idk about the emphasis on the horse meat scandal - can hardly remember anything about it. V funny piece.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:36 (eight years ago) link

Paul Mason is a lot feistier online

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 31 March 2016 15:01 (eight years ago) link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/30/britain-sacrifices-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-china/

This has been doing the rounds and is worth reading as well, even if it is AEP.

Matt DC, Thursday, 31 March 2016 15:05 (eight years ago) link

that paul mason piece is fucking great

Upset by racist left wingers calling me an egg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 31 March 2016 15:18 (eight years ago) link

I think McDonnell's Little Red Book jape might be remembered more fondly in the current climate. Even during his Great Leap Forward hubris Mao didn't plan to make the UK a satellite within 50 years, but he didn't know in the future that agent Osborne would be working for them.

calzino, Thursday, 31 March 2016 15:39 (eight years ago) link

That was part of the joke, I think, although who knows.

I can't remember a time in my life when both the government and the opposition have seemed so weak, so little in control of their own parties and of events.

Matt DC, Thursday, 31 March 2016 16:05 (eight years ago) link

It seemed like the joke was a bit misunderstood at the time.

Labour cold called me the other day asking for more donations and I gave them the old famous Flavor Flav line.

calzino, Thursday, 31 March 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link

not sure what anybody expects when your steel industry gets sold to a giant overseas congolomerate who doesn't give a shit about you but if any issue is custom made for corbyn to make hay with it's one that involves steelworkers getting laid off and david cameron in lanzarote

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 31 March 2016 16:32 (eight years ago) link

Oh my God, not CAKE?!?

jedi slimane (suzy), Thursday, 31 March 2016 16:56 (eight years ago) link

Exmouth???

Tim, Thursday, 31 March 2016 16:59 (eight years ago) link

That's a lot of #content to #harvest from one trip to a cafe. Good work Local World.

Matt DC, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:02 (eight years ago) link

I can't believe I just clicked through a gallery featuring ten pictures of the same slice of cake.

Matt DC, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:04 (eight years ago) link

You're doing your bit for British jobs, in fairness.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link

Onlookers said the scene reminded them of Marie Antoinette, the super-rich toff duchess who said of starving peasants: "let them eat cake".

no they didn't

disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:10 (eight years ago) link

paul mason clearly needed to be released into the wild.

that was a wonderful read.

mark e, Thursday, 31 March 2016 17:55 (eight years ago) link

he does these columms for the guardian that are always interesting but occasionally veer into slightly thomas friedmanesque futurism

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/30/britain-sacrifices-steel-industry-to-curry-favour-with-chinaπŸ”—/

This has been doing the rounds and is worth reading as well, even if it is AEP.

Yes, read this earlier -

The EU trade directorate has been rendered toothless by a British veto. So much for the canard that the UK has no influence in Brussels.

"The British are sacrificing an entire European industry to say thank you to China for signing up to the nuclear power project at Hinkley Point, and pretending it is about free trade," said one official in Brussels bitterly.

What they are blocking is a change to an EU regulation intended to beef up Europe's 'trade defence instruments' (TDI), enabling it to respond much more quickly to Chinese dumping and too impose much tougher penalties.

Hinkley fucking Point!

Fizzles, Thursday, 31 March 2016 18:31 (eight years ago) link

I fancy Paul Mason.

Mr. Hathaway. (jed_), Thursday, 31 March 2016 22:13 (eight years ago) link

nice to see a lot more press attention being given to the EU/chinese tariff issue ..

mark e, Friday, 1 April 2016 09:14 (eight years ago) link

Paul Mason has really let go since he left C4 hasn't he? Also needs to stop writing for The Guardian, they let him indulge in his worst yoof is connected bollocks. Some very unconvincing stuff on tech - not that I wholly agree with what I've seen of his Postcapitalism shebang.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 April 2016 09:22 (eight years ago) link

But even in that piece there is quite a bit to unpack: so a steel will make a tank - what if that tank is sold to run over a Greek or a Spaniard yoof protesting at the lack of jobs and food.

Well, at least he got to the protest by reading about it on Facebook so that's ok.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 April 2016 09:26 (eight years ago) link

There are about a million reasons why it might be useful for the UK to have a steel industry at some point in the future, once it's gone then starting up afresh will be even less economical than running it at a (hopefully temporary) loss. The current steel glut isn't a permanent state of affairs, if Port Talbot really is losing Β£1m a day then nationalisation is going to cause its own problems later down the line if there isn't a recovery, but it's still better than letting the whole thing go to the wall.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:02 (eight years ago) link

Don't need steel manufacturing capacity but do need trident because uncertain world lol

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 1 April 2016 10:08 (eight years ago) link

(course, trident is itself an example of an interventionist industrial policy, arms being the only industry where this is allowed)

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 1 April 2016 10:09 (eight years ago) link

that's basically been US industrial policy for the last 100 years?

disco Polo (Noodle Vague), Friday, 1 April 2016 10:13 (eight years ago) link

The banks/financial services haemorrhage a lot more of the public's coffers than the steel industry, just noting the unfortunate link between industrial and defense policy. Don't know if that would hit a Tory's heart as yes Trident might cover it and post-Iraq there is no appetite (or much cash) for ground adventures. xp

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:20 (eight years ago) link

didn't realise how isolated the UK/Osborne is in europe re: steel, seems like an interesting case

ogmor, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:21 (eight years ago) link

An entire industry being driven to the point of collapse by a combination of the Chinese government and an Indian conglomerate is pretty indicative of the reality of the UK's place in the world fwiw.

Matt DC, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:23 (eight years ago) link

EU rules on state aid seemed to be pretty flexible during banking crisis.

Good example of the general cluelessness of the EU debate: it's never been about 'us' (Britain) against 'them' (Yerp). As far a defence of manufacturing goes, 'our' government are more 'them' than 'they' are.

"Worried pimp" (Bananaman Begins), Friday, 1 April 2016 10:32 (eight years ago) link

Using outside experts who advised that the intervention would need to be presented by a figure with impeccable European credentials, a strong affinity with the continent and the character to speak out, the family has decided that the move should fronted by Prince Philip.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 1 April 2016 10:33 (eight years ago) link

i think the url of that guardian article reveals the truth.

mark e, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:37 (eight years ago) link

Really hope so

β€œHe has been hugely impressed by the way the EU stepped in, not just once but several times, to save Greece,” said one official with knowledge of events. β€œHe admires what Tsipras and Varoufakis achieved – in fact he told friends he sees something of his younger self in the charismatic, motorbike-riding, eye-for-the-ladies Varoufakis. Mind you,” added the source, β€œhe also thinks the Greeks would never have got into this mess if the colonels had still been in power.”

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:38 (eight years ago) link

I didn't realise the graun could be so hilarious, my sides reached escape velocity etc

calzino, Friday, 1 April 2016 10:42 (eight years ago) link

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/apr/01/chancellor-buy-to-let-landlords-george-osborne

This another April Fool's piece?

xyzzzz__, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:33 (eight years ago) link

London is the least densely occupied big city in Europe

But has some of the densest newspaper columnists.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 13:38 (eight years ago) link

you're all enjoying yr april fool's day, simon jenkins is enjoying his april fool's LIFE, etc etc

xp isn't a big part of that due to the amount of green space and gardens?

ogmor, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:43 (eight years ago) link

No, it's just bollocks.

He's comparing the population density of greater London to inner Paris for example.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 1 April 2016 13:46 (eight years ago) link

That wasn't the point in me posting the quote, but fair enough.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 13:52 (eight years ago) link

Oh I didn't think you posted it because you agreed with it! Simon Jenkins is a twat.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 1 April 2016 13:57 (eight years ago) link

No, it's just bollocks.
It's not total bollocks though, is it? I'm sure London is less dense even in inner zones because majority of housing is low-rise.

He skirts round the reason for all the empty bedrooms being all the boomers squatting in their giant empty-nest family homes i notice.

stet, Friday, 1 April 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link

(xp) I used that quote so I could execute a painful and obvious pun on the word "dense". Obviously the whole article is garbage, not just that quote.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 14:00 (eight years ago) link

Well, OK this is from 2007, but if anything London will be even more dense now, and it puts the only European cities denser than London as Athens, Madrid & St Petersburg:

http://www.citymayors.com/statistics/largest-cities-density-125.html

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Friday, 1 April 2016 14:01 (eight years ago) link

He was talking about occupation density though, not population density, obv. it's stuffed to the gunwales populationwise.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link

... it is where I live anyway.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Friday, 1 April 2016 14:04 (eight years ago) link


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