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― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 8 May 2016 13:58 (eight years ago) link
You mean the Greengrass/Spielberg you're right there in the action shake-cam? Yeah, it could have been a little smoother, I guess.
I just saw this yesterday and I have no idea what any of you are talking about re: Captain America smashing something. I mean, there is a lot of smashing.
Also a lot of power-splainin' going on - "Falcon, go get your little Falcon out and use it to run recon and set a trap." "Spider-man, use your adhesive webbing and great powers of agility to stop that thing." "Scarlet Witch, is it true that your ill-defined powers allow you to move things with your mind?" That kind of thing. No real problem with it, because it's largely used in service of fun. I liked Tony Stark's self-conscious "does anyone else have any surprise new powers that can help us out of this mess?" I like that the Vision's powers are as-yet totally ill-defined here. Keeps him mysterious. That's a great example of comics people being at an advantage, because even if a newbie saw him first in Avengers and now here, I think they would still have trouble telling exactly what he is - human? robot? Spock?- and what he can do. Clearly he will become more important in the next Avengers films.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 May 2016 15:20 (eight years ago) link
Josh, we're talking about the very final instance of Cap smashing.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Sunday, 8 May 2016 15:35 (eight years ago) link
box office records amirite
― i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 May 2016 15:49 (eight years ago) link
xpost I still don't know what you mean! You mean the iconic part of that other character's costume that he crushes with his shield? What's the significance of that? Oh, I see, you're saying it's *not* significant anymore, because it serves a different purpose than it initially did. I think I get it. Though clearly said character with a shield does not kill the other character, so I'm not sure why anyone would think it significant, other than how long they linger on the twisting the knife, as it were.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 May 2016 16:13 (eight years ago) link
Josh, yes, that's the cam I mean. I'm not a fan I guess.
― suffeeciant attreebution (aldo), Sunday, 8 May 2016 16:16 (eight years ago) link
The reactor. He smashes the reactor in Iron Man's chest.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 8 May 2016 17:27 (eight years ago) link
― i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, May 8, 2016 10:49 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
In its US opening weekend after being open for a week overseas (so based on like eight days' receipts total), Civil War's global box office is currently just $200 million shy of Superman v Batman's lifetime gross, which I'd guess it's almost guaranteed to surpass by the time it's been open in the US for a full seven days. Such beautiful schadenfreude.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Sunday, 8 May 2016 17:35 (eight years ago) link
It's already the 87th highest grossing movie of all time. Globally. After it's been open for like two days in the US.
I don't usually give that much of a shit about this stuff but they deserve the success.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Sunday, 8 May 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
i just remembered the brief shot from the final fight of Bucky yelling 'you killed cap!' at iron man which was in one of the trailers but isn't in the movie - i guess they shot that just to fuck with freeze-framing nerds huh
― i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 May 2016 17:45 (eight years ago) link
I guess it was 'steve's dead'
https://49.media.tumblr.com/bec0c7371e5509ad8d5734f74cade9c1/tumblr_nye5eqOaS31ue1oh7o2_500.gif
― i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 May 2016 17:47 (eight years ago) link
You, ah, you do know what globally means, right?
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 8 May 2016 19:09 (eight years ago) link
Xpost got it. Reactor used to be needed to keep Stark alive, but in this movie it's ... Just a chest reactor.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 May 2016 19:23 (eight years ago) link
xpost I, ah, I do know what globally means, yes. If you scroll up just a scooch you'll see the part where I acknowledge that it's been open for a week elsewhere.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Sunday, 8 May 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link
Heading in to see this now
― Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Sunday, 8 May 2016 19:30 (eight years ago) link
he's breakin his heart guys don't you get it *THE SYMBOLISM*
― Nhex, Sunday, 8 May 2016 20:46 (eight years ago) link
Reactor is just a power source for a suit of armor that also is a rocket, smartphone, life support system, etc.
I was actually slightly curious to see if the suit would still allow Stark move after it had been disabled, tbph
― nintenderizer (Drugs A. Money), Sunday, 8 May 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link
I am in the theater now, so you guys can start posting spoilers in ten minutes when I turn off my phone
― μpright mammal (mh), Sunday, 8 May 2016 22:52 (eight years ago) link
The villain is the guy from Mungo Jerry
― Neanderthal, Sunday, 8 May 2016 23:31 (eight years ago) link
This movie would have been 10% better if they didn't bother with a bad guy at all and just had our heroes getting mad at each other and beating one another up. Because this bad guy was barely even there. I wasn't even sure if he was a villain from the books? Because he's not the villain of the same name from the comics, right, just some Euro shlub with a grudge?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 May 2016 23:47 (eight years ago) link
Daniel Brühl is one hell of a soporific screen presence.
― Acid Hose (Capitaine Jay Vee), Monday, 9 May 2016 00:02 (eight years ago) link
i saw some idiot alleged-adult on the subway w/ a CaptAm shield/backpack and wanted to hulksmash
― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 May 2016 00:10 (eight years ago) link
Airport scene was cool but felt incongruous, if Cap movies are conspiracy thrillers (see also "hey, Manchurian Candidate").
Only Winter Soldier had aspects of conspiracy thriller. The first CA flick was Joe Johnston finally getting to do a proper WWII-action-with-some-dieselpunk flick that he attemped to do with the Rocketeer.
I enjoyed this a lot. Not sure if it tops CA:WS overall, but I read something a coupla days that I agree with: that the airport sequence was when they really did finally pull off everything that a grand superhero comic book film should be.
Interesting that you deliberately have this film coming out so close after BvS and the contrast between two different views of collateral damage.
Zemo in the comics looks like this:
http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_fill,h_540,w_960/t_mp_quality/igodeuuz5oapfau1imjf/could-baron-helmut-zemo-become-marvel-s-smartest-movie-villain-655834.jpg
and we seriously didn't need him in this flick.
Also, we live in a time where the majority of trailers in front of a tentpole superhero films are other superhero films(and Rogue One, in my screening, which was fun to see projected that big. Those klaxons sound GREAT on a theater's sound system).
Most surprising aspect of this film was that there were still great moments not spoilered by trailers or advance hype.
― Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Monday, 9 May 2016 00:15 (eight years ago) link
I love that the 'punch you in your perfect teeth' line that was so RMDE-worthy in the trailers is totally recontextualized as a friendly jab in the movie and works just fine.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 May 2016 00:34 (eight years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJvUTFVqwJQ
― Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Monday, 9 May 2016 00:59 (eight years ago) link
totally. I didn't love this as much as I thought I might - the setup felt a bit forced and the preposterous appearance of some ~incriminating footage~ kinda dulled the edge of what should have been a big moment, but scene by scene it was great. spidey was both hilarious and unexpectedly profound. "can you move your seat up" and attendant schtick a total delight.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 9 May 2016 01:14 (eight years ago) link
yeah one of the best recurring jokes is def the relationship between Bucky and Falcon, like two jealous little bros/BFs
― Nhex, Monday, 9 May 2016 01:25 (eight years ago) link
I really liked this
Set-up felt a little dull-draggy but mostly bcz I'm like a 5 year old I WANNA SEE IRON MAN & CAP FLY AROUND AND PUNCH EACH OTHER
Black Panther, Giant Man, Spidey all A+ ... and I got kinda teary towards the end. Daniel Bruhl great, needed more imo
― Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 9 May 2016 01:54 (eight years ago) link
Yeah hopefully Zemo'll be developed. Nice to have an antagonist survive the movie, tho. Also, thanks to the casting of someone young and dorky I actually liked this Spiderman.
― albvivertine, Monday, 9 May 2016 02:01 (eight years ago) link
Black Panther the only one who abides by a moral high ground was great
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 9 May 2016 02:13 (eight years ago) link
Yea he was great
― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 May 2016 02:27 (eight years ago) link
I really appreciated that no one clapped for the Stan Lee cameo. enough already.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 9 May 2016 05:59 (eight years ago) link
i can't be sore at those. i mean, how much longer can that guy possibly live?plus "Tony Stank"
― Nhex, Monday, 9 May 2016 07:07 (eight years ago) link
I don't have a lot of respect for him but I kinda like his cameos, esp this one
― albvivertine, Monday, 9 May 2016 07:21 (eight years ago) link
his best cameo is ant-man, b/c it's a split second and that's about all it needs; no point in dragging it out.
― wizzz! (amateurist), Monday, 9 May 2016 08:09 (eight years ago) link
the preposterous appearance of some ~incriminating footage~ kinda dulled the edge of what should have been a big moment
I thought this was great, the slow burn of what happened back in 1991, what could possibly be so important, and then when it appears it's what flips the switch from "We have become grudging allies because I, maverick millionaire Tony Stark, have fucked up yet again" to "I am going to take your head off".
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 May 2016 11:03 (eight years ago) link
pretty much the only plot element in the movie to make me sympathetic to Tony
btw how damn weird is that youngening tech they used in Ant-Man and this, like crazy uncanny valley stuff, but it's actually working? it helps that they have plenty of film reference for both Douglas and Downey but still kinda surreal
― Nhex, Monday, 9 May 2016 12:01 (eight years ago) link
That was the "uncanny valley moment" I referred to upthread -- at first I was like, "OK, this is weird and kind of unreal, we all know what RDJ looked like in 1991 and this looks like an RDJ Realdoll or something." Then it's revealed as some kind of sophisticated VR/hologram thing that Tony Stank is demo-ing for MIT students and was like, "Oh, well that makes sense then."
I can't believe Roger Slattery and Hope Davis are the same age. He must have gone gray Steve Martin-style.
― a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Monday, 9 May 2016 12:25 (eight years ago) link
I'd kinda wondered if/how they were going to do Redwing and I guess that was an elegant solution to a character that would probably not work in this universe.
I'd told my gf before that they were making a Black Panther movie, which meant nothing to her at the time (she's watched all of the MCU stuff but knows nothing about the comics), but she was definitely excited about the prospect after seeing him in action. Between that and her similar excitement at seeing the trailer for the previously "who is that?" Doctor Strange (which looked fantastic on a big screen), it's clear these folks are doing their jobs well.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 May 2016 12:34 (eight years ago) link
they gave us a 3-D trailer for Dr Strange. at a 2D showing.
― Neanderthal, Monday, 9 May 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link
Because Dr. Strange operates on, like, a higher dimension, man. It's a metaphor, do u see?
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 May 2016 14:13 (eight years ago) link
After the Dr. Strange trailer my daughter turned to me and said "wait, I thought he was a doctor?"
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 May 2016 14:30 (eight years ago) link
can we have a week of her posting to ilx for you? I like her style
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 9 May 2016 16:24 (eight years ago) link
yeah, one of the things I liked most about this was the reveal of the team of dead winter soldiers followed by zemo's playing the video. after the huge battles at the end of the avengers movies and the previous cap movie it was cool that they swerved an earth-shattering threat in favour of something more character-based. compare and contrast w/ the stupid sudden appearance of doomsday at the end of batman vs superman
― i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 May 2016 16:46 (eight years ago) link
I've got to admit, I was totally expecting a rote face off between our heroes and a team of Winter Soldiers.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 May 2016 16:54 (eight years ago) link
exactly! it was a nice bit of misdirection
― i do not sense the entity ted (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 May 2016 17:01 (eight years ago) link
slow burn? they basically imply what happened about twenty times!
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 9 May 2016 17:04 (eight years ago) link
well, I guess the "how will this play out when Tony finds out" is the slow burn
If they implied it, it was lost on me. I guess I can see it in retrospect, but I'd say it counts as a slow burn.
― Peanut Duck (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 May 2016 17:08 (eight years ago) link
winter soldier kills someone in a car in 1991tony stank replays the memory of his parents dying in a car accidentzemo repeatedly asks for an incident report of that date in 1991
― μpright mammal (mh), Monday, 9 May 2016 17:15 (eight years ago) link