Also how dumb is Euron Greyjoy? Give away your best idea for what to do with the Ironborn fleet and then expect your relatives to just sit around and wait for you to murder them after you finish getting drowned! Yes, there is no way they'll steal your navy and your idea and just sail to Essos while you spit up seawater and get to wear some crown made out of driftwood.
OTOH if Yara & Theon sail for anywhere else, they completely deserve whatever's coming to them.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 23 May 2016 03:49 (eight years ago) link
ah, primer indeed: http://www.vox.com/2016/5/22/11722146/game-of-thrones-season-6-recap-hodor-dies-bran-time-travel
yeah i thought it was maybe a heinlein type thing..and i guess it was.
― ryan, Monday, 23 May 2016 03:51 (eight years ago) link
This show lost its emotional stakes for me a few seasons ago when it became clear its ideology was primarily nihilistic and it wasn't worth attaching to any characters. Now I'm just looking to be entertained by the plot.
― Mordy, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:01 (eight years ago) link
Good luck, translators!
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:02 (eight years ago) link
http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_01/831346/150102-back-to-the-future-mn-850_6c1cc5c2a0c7767b593e1bf9054a4d0f.nbcnews-fp-1200-800.jpg
Bran and Max von Sydow rn
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:05 (eight years ago) link
mordy u r smart but this is nonsense. a plot without stakes is just a series of events.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 23 May 2016 04:10 (eight years ago) link
Nah like I don't care too much about any of the characters but I still want to see dragons and ships and zombies and shit go nuts
― Mordy, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:12 (eight years ago) link
shit went pretty nuts this night, also don't know if this is more or less nihilistic than other drama shows.
― Van Horn Street, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:13 (eight years ago) link
i dont get a nihilistic vibe from the show--in fact most of the protagonists that die seem to demonstrate a Point of some sort that's still developing.
― ryan, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:17 (eight years ago) link
though frankly if things end on a nihilistic note i'd probably respect its singularity of purpose (if not enjoy it).
― ryan, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:18 (eight years ago) link
i liked the hodor reveal
― lag∞n, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:27 (eight years ago) link
Hadn't even thought through the fact that it means Bran can possibly warg into things or affect other people in the past. Maybe he was the voice speaking from the fire when Varys got fixed. Who the fuck knows.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 23 May 2016 04:38 (eight years ago) link
I feel kinda smug now because the white walker origin reveal is exactly what I thought it would be
― Star Wars ate shiitake (latebloomer), Monday, 23 May 2016 04:59 (eight years ago) link
Dope episode, imo
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 23 May 2016 06:47 (eight years ago) link
Are we supposed to know who the little green wood nymphettes are?
― tobo73, Monday, 23 May 2016 10:00 (eight years ago) link
the one rad episode a season - so insulting, so effective
― r|t|c, Monday, 23 May 2016 11:08 (eight years ago) link
So it took Littlefinger 10 episodes to get from Winterfell to the Vale, but then the episode after that he's back at Molestown? At this point I'm half expecting it to be foreshadowing for Littlefinger to be a warg of some sorts, able to turn himself into an eagle or whatever. Who even controls Moats Callin at this point?
The twist at the end of this episode has apparently been confirmed as coming from GRRM. Pretty amazing, imo.
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 May 2016 12:35 (eight years ago) link
Oh, right, Littefinger says he's troops are at Moats Callin. My bad.
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 May 2016 12:37 (eight years ago) link
she shdve killed him
― lag∞n, Monday, 23 May 2016 12:41 (eight years ago) link
This was directed by Jack Bender, which is probably why the ending felt a bit like Lost
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 23 May 2016 12:59 (eight years ago) link
Feel sad for Hodor but aside from the warging and time travel it's so much like the cannibal in Death Line who repeats "Mind the doors" endlessly.
Don't see the nihilism either. I don't see that the stakes or principles of enjoyment have changed since the beginning.
The visualization of the Children Of The Forest is really jarring. Why the tv science fiction alien race bumpy face? Why the Green Goblin grenades? Am I right that they created White Walkers to save the trees and it didn't go too well? I wasn't expecting a great origin story but I don't like this one as it currently seems to stand.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 May 2016 13:16 (eight years ago) link
It's a bit screwy. According to the legends, the Children were the first people of Westeros. When the men came from Essos, they fought them bitterly, called upon magic to smash the landbridge connecting Dorne to Essos, flooded the Neck making it that much tougher getting to and from the North (which is why Moats Callin is so important, god dammit, and why Littlefinger shouldn't just turn up in Molestown proclaiming that he's taken the place). The White Walkers came during the Long Night, and was fought by men and children together. So. Something is off with the legends if the children actually created the walkers, though I suspect that is the case in the books as well. It makes a twisted kind of sense, and I think one of the Bran visions could be seen as hinting at it. Notice also how the walker is created in a land without snow, credence to the theory that they might have something to do with the strange way the seasons pass in the land.
There was a lot of history on the show, I also liked the story that the faceless men came from the mines of Valyria and founded Braavos. I'm not sure how that jibes with the books, but it's a nice story.
And that final sequence might be the best thing the show has ever done.
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 May 2016 13:42 (eight years ago) link
Oh yeah.. Kevin Eldon! Most surprising appearance so far.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 May 2016 13:53 (eight years ago) link
i hode interesting dor
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― am0n, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:02 (eight years ago) link
So are Theon and crew going to sail to Dany with 20 ships to strike a fellowship before Euron and his 1000 ships arrive?
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 23 May 2016 14:08 (eight years ago) link
i like the twist, but they didnt really set it up at all did they? who knew there were significant number of men loyal to theon's sister? no one really spoke up for her when the crazy uncle showed up. and how did they all sneak off during the drowning/coronation?
― ryan, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:11 (eight years ago) link
those ships seemed to matter quite a lot, you'd think they would be protected!
Yeah that was all a bit convenient for them, but for the sake of moving things along I'm OK with it.
― Evan, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:12 (eight years ago) link
so he held the door long enough for bran to get dragged what 30, 40 feet into the snow? they'll never get him now
― am0n, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:13 (eight years ago) link
It happens in the book as well, but... The whole thing is massively overcomplicated in the books, and the show streamlined it which left in a bunch of plotholes. Story of the last few seasons, kinda.
― Frederik B, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:14 (eight years ago) link
i was hoping the uncle wld just drown and everyone wld be all welp
― lag∞n, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:15 (eight years ago) link
Remembering the book now and remembering how there were like a dozen different plots of different characters all on their way to be Dany's husband. Glad the show is ignoring most of them.
― dan selzer, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:18 (eight years ago) link
Yes, that was a major WTF for me. As powerful as that scene was, it ultimately shows Hodor's purpose in life was to give a person dragging another person through deep snow maybe a football field of distance ahead of a super nimble undead army?
I guess next episode will probably just cut to them holding their lead but still.
xposts
― Evan, Monday, 23 May 2016 14:19 (eight years ago) link
Is Bran going to be trapped in trance state or something? Seems like he should have woken up given the minor racket.
― Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Monday, 23 May 2016 15:02 (eight years ago) link
Normally you have to click "eject" before disconnecting.
― Evan, Monday, 23 May 2016 15:15 (eight years ago) link
I kine of wondered if he hadn't already disconnected. On one hand, Hoder only did things like that when Bran was warged into him so you'd think he was in there, but on the other hand we want to believe that this was Hoder's whole life's purpose (at least since Bran went back and put that in his head, literally). I'm assuming Hoder was being a hero on his own at the end there, with a lot of mystical prompting past and present of course.
― dan selzer, Monday, 23 May 2016 15:23 (eight years ago) link
how many direwolves are left ?
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 23 May 2016 15:30 (eight years ago) link
2 technically(?) Arya's ran off, right? Otherwise there is Jon's.
― Evan, Monday, 23 May 2016 15:31 (eight years ago) link
Nah. Next episode Coldhands / Friendly Zombie Benjen is going to have to show up and save them from certain death AGAIN. you watch.
― El Tomboto, Monday, 23 May 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
Summer dying was such a drag :(
― ian, Monday, 23 May 2016 16:44 (eight years ago) link
good ol uncle benjen is gonna rescue bran.
― dynamicinterface, Monday, 23 May 2016 16:49 (eight years ago) link
calling it now: arya runs off with the mummers
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 23 May 2016 17:16 (eight years ago) link
Otm re coldhands, this is exactly the time for him to butt in
― scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Monday, 23 May 2016 17:22 (eight years ago) link
― am0n, Monday, May 23, 2016 10:13 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
otm
― 龜, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:32 (eight years ago) link
final children of the forest death scene was so cliched
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha4Nvw4YFls
― 龜, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:33 (eight years ago) link
exactly what I thought of
― El Tomboto, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:34 (eight years ago) link
I'm guessing this part of Arya's story will conclude soon. It's not always the most exciting plot thread but right now it's the one I'm most interested in seeing where it goes. There's pretty much no way she'll become a faceless person.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:39 (eight years ago) link
They've got to get on with it though! When she got her eyes back I was convinced that was that, but nope- more scenes of her getting whacked with a stick.
― Evan, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:41 (eight years ago) link
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, May 23, 2016 1:16 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
like it
― lag∞n, Monday, 23 May 2016 17:46 (eight years ago) link
the setup for arya's impending departure from the house of black and white would've made more sense if she had kicked that girl's ass in their fight this episode. arya is established as a bad ass and it's time to move on. maybe that is too pat and obvious but the alternative - that she leaves and the whole drawn out experience hasn't really resulted in anything at all - is surely worse. it wasn't even close either, that girl fucked her up. the story should be about her instead.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 May 2016 18:08 (eight years ago) link