Psychoactive Substances: Rolling UK Politics in The Neo-Con Era

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Ryanair up 42% this year so tbrr theres not really any comparison btwn them and any part of uk labour

Ed Milliband was much more impressive on Question Time there than he ever was as leader, sadly. He was genuinely good there.

this sounds somewhat ominous:

The Labour leader’s inner circle has also had “tense discussions”over a decision to allow a film crew from Vice Media to follow Corbyn for several weeks. It is understood the fly-on-the-wall documentary, which will be broadcast next week, was signed off by Corbyn’s communications chief, Seumas Milne.

Some Corbynites fear they could be ridiculed in the film, while others have objected to having their faces broadcast and have asked to be edited out.

“People said they turned round to find a camera shoved in their face while discussing policy matters,” one source said. “There has been a lot of anger about the decision to let in a film crew at a time when we are under a lot of pressure. We could, through the editing process, be made to look like idiots. Vice are not averse to taking the piss.”

maybe we'll get a 21c version of Yesterday's Men

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYcigddR-Hk

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/736834684458504192

This is going to be fun. I'd be surprised if fewer than a couple of dozen MPs tried to trigger a no confidence vote in Cameron if Remain wins, given that 25 did in 2013 with less of a reason. Could hit the 50 required.

"a live boy or a dead girl"? could be in the interest of public safety to reveal this mp's name

It's a famous quote I think?

Edwin Edwards, Governor of Louisiana, 1983:

"The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."

I don't really get it though, if Leave wins then Cameron will have to go. His position would be untenable and he's probably privately already prepared to resign in that effect, same as with Scotland.

If Remain wins (and unless it's really narrow), then tough shit, Leavers. OTOH they might decide to tear him down anyway out of sheer spite. Maybe there's something big lurking in Cameron's past we don't know about, but hey he got away with having put his cock in a dead pig.

sheer spite is exactly why they'll try it. for all i joke about it, these cunts will never accept a referendum result that doesn't go their way.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/28/tory-mp-andrew-bridgen-says-david-cameron-is-finished-as-party-l/

The Tories are *eating* David Cameron... and here's why

Quite a few MPs have apparently already written to the 1922 committee with instructions to open the letter on the 24th of June. The narrative they are using is extremely clear - ok, we lost but the manner in which the PM led the remain campaign was unbecoming of a Tory leader so he has to go. I think they could well get the 50 they need to trigger the vote but I strongly doubt they will win and, unless there is a real sense it's in the balance, I suspect it will fizzle out.

How does a No Confidence work? Cameron doesn't have a big enough majority to be able to cope with 50+ Tory MPs voting against him. His only hope would be that the other parties who campaigned for Remain choose to support him, and good luck with that.

I suppose there is the possibility that he could scrape home with the support of some Unionists and enough Blairite MPs hoping to provoke all-out war in their own party, but the consequences of being helped over the line by the opposition would be so humiliating to Cameron that he would be hugely diminished for the rest of his tenure.

I think it would just be internal. No confidence as Tory leader rather than no confidence in the government. He'd need to carry a majority of Tory MPs.

He'll win then, unless they feel so unthreatened by Jeremy Corbyn that they feel they can do whatever the hell they want.

He will win. I think there are probably at least 100 MPs who want him out but unless there is real momentum behind them, with Gove leading the way, I think fairly few will come forward.

https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/736891592552878080

ok that was easy

Look at this picture, if it makes you violent congratulations you are still alive

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/652514875726364672/vLJJ5vLh.png

how about this, if it makes you smile you can personally leave

Why didn't he die, Young?

i posted the exact same thing on the fucking england flags thread at the time, used to walk past it on the way to work, before the office moved.

and it's not acton like he says, it's shepherd's bush.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.co.uk/2016/05/rick-its-more-complicated-than-that.html

I was wondering what ppl here think of the argument put forward in this blog post from a leave supporter, that brexit would not cause any dramatic changes in the short term (as in the next decade or so), contrary to what both the leave campaign suggests?

Let's take a for instance. Erasmus, the academic cooperation programme. That is the mechanism by which we facilitate cross border exchanges and research funding. There is no renegotiating that in two years, not least because it would need to be ratified by all states (including non-EU members if I understand it correctly). But as much as we cannot renegotiate it in two years we cannot design a replacement for it either. So we keep it.

Apply that same logic to air traffic control, public health surveillance, port inspections, Europol, and all the other cooperation areas where we have ongoing projects, budgetary commitments and contracts to be upheld. The very idea that we're going to dream up an FTA that ties up the loose ends and addresses the shortfalls experienced by both parties is fanciful.

Pretty sure that most European research funding (Horizon 2020, ERC etc) has nothing to do with Erasmus. Anyway, Switzerland found out that things can change quickly when you're on the wrong side of the EU: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/11/whatever-you-do-dont-become-switzerland-swiss-academics-tell-uk

Yep. It might take a while for commitments around Erasmus programmes to wind down but I don't see why there could not be a fairly immediate change in status for students on full degrees - with EU students charged full fees for attending UK universities and vice versa. There will be lots of areas of shared resource and cooperation that will take years to exit from but plenty that can kick in fairly quickly. Aside from that, you'd have several years of uncertainty with nobody clear on what deals can be reached or how quickly they can be implemented. It's correct to say that withdrawal would be a process rather than an event but it would probably be a hugely destabilising one.

and it's not acton like he says, it's shepherd's bush.

Some plebs live there, that's all he knows.

it's just the other end of ravenscourt park from his school...

... which would welcome with open hours any children of residents there.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjpqLlqWgAAn30L.jpg

cartoon posted as one of the replies to Young's tweet. is one of the welsh revelers throwing a leek in the air?

No-one celebrated St Andrew's Day when I was growing up, no-one knew when it was. Burns Night was sort of for golf club masonic wankers but most people knew when it was at least.

Admittedly now that Scotland's gone all Scottish, it might be different these days.

I say we bring back empire day

the SNP made st Andrew's day a public holiday for people who work in the Scottish government not long after they got in power at holyrood the first time, but yeah, the average Scottish person wouldn't know what date it is.

I think Toby Young is smiling at the thought of all the working class kept behind locked gates?

y no big pointy tits lady celebrate sir george day

No-one celebrated St Andrew's Day when I was growing up, no-one knew when it was.

I think maybe November-ish? No-one's going to give a fuck unless the SNP make it a holiday.

Just looked it up - it's 30th November. We need to move it to July.

Oh fuck, now I know when it is.

July would maximise feelings of Scottishness as it pisses down?

Forgotten come Nov, right?

There's just nothing to do St. Andrew's day - it's an empty holiday. We might populate it, but hopefully not by abducting the content of other holidays. Eating haggis and drinking whiskey, while awesome, aren't part of it. My idea is that you have to listen to every big country album, while drinking tennents and eating chips. Which is my weekends anyway.

Eating haggis and drinking whiskey, while awesome, aren't part of it.

That's Burns Night anyway. Whiskey :-o

Right; it can't just be a second burns night. We could always celebrate the Scottish poets who are actually good, but when I try that on burns night people are resistant.

I would celebrate a Panther Burns night

I liked his work with Wee Eck Chilton.

A burns night dedicated to insulting each other.

http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_scale,h_438,w_438/t_mp_quality/gmfsrnxfn7ua31qdza6z/stop-panicking-mr-burns-is-not-leaving-the-simpsons-excellent-495170.jpg

Some worrying polling data is coming through suggesting that the hail Mary 'if you want a Turk for a neighbour, vote remain' stuff is working.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/04/poll-eu-brexit-lead-opinium

Graun trying to whip up the faithful on the run-in